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Post #162,996
by imric
7/5/04 10:23:33 PM
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New You have no problem with government ownership of everything?
Property tax is rent. You don't pay you get evicted. Or worse.

Who controls disposition of the land? The owners. The government.

Who controls the use of land (via zoning)? The owners. The government.

At best, we can hold a lifetime lease.
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Post #163,014
by ben_tilly
7/6/04 1:10:00 AM
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New You got it
I have problems if that ownership is abused.

I also believe that, for most things, the most efficient systematic use of resources is to make them private property. This true often enough that I think that government has to justify any significant deviations from this baseline.

Of course I recognize that I exist in a society that tends to answer this question differently than I do. That is a common problem for me, see my thoughts on being a [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=104633|moral relativist] in our society. But it is inconvenient. :-(

Cheers,
Ben
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #163,024
by imric
7/6/04 6:52:59 AM
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New Excuse me?
The confiscation of all property from the American people was the first abuse. Tell me, when the government took the role of landlord, did it buy the land from the former owners?

I also believe that, for most things, the most efficient systematic use of resources is to make them private property. This true often enough that I think that government has to justify any significant deviations from this baseline.


This statement makes no sense. There IS no private property when you have to pay a fee to retain so-called 'ownership'. As I said before, the most we can have in this country anymore is a lease. Your baseline does not exist. It is a fantasy.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #163,050
by ben_tilly
7/6/04 10:29:30 AM
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New You'd be an example of someone who feels differently
Property in the sense that you take for granted and are outraged that the government infringed on is a creation of the same government that you dislike for so infringing.

Don't believe me? Just consider how much Western notions of property differ from the notions of the people here when we showed up. That anything like our notions now prevail is due to our government enforcing our notions on them.

Cheers,
Ben
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #163,065
by imric
7/6/04 12:35:56 PM
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New And now
verbs meaning 'to own' actually mean 'to license' I suppose.

Oh well. I guess 'property is theft', right?
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #163,067
by ChrisR
7/6/04 12:43:56 PM
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New Prepare your residence for quartering
     Et tu, Brute - (deSitter) - (61) - July 5, 2004, 01:39:22 PM EDT
         We've argued this one before - (ben_tilly) - (45) - July 5, 2004, 02:05:06 PM EDT
             Re: We've argued this one before - (deSitter) - (30) - July 5, 2004, 02:08:00 PM EDT
                 The problem is the employees. - (Another Scott) - (14) - July 5, 2004, 03:54:46 PM EDT
                     lets use that employee argument in another industry - (boxley) - (13) - July 6, 2004, 10:55:37 PM EDT
                         OSHA on autobody spray painting. - (Another Scott) - (12) - July 6, 2004, 11:52:19 PM EDT
                             I thought you were whining about employees? - (boxley) - (11) - July 7, 2004, 09:56:20 AM EDT
                                 Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose. - (inthane-chan) - (3) - July 7, 2004, 10:47:29 AM EDT
                                     not in my bar it dont. - (boxley) - (2) - July 7, 2004, 10:52:13 AM EDT
                                         That's why 2/3rds of the population stays out of bars. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1) - July 7, 2004, 10:54:46 AM EDT
                                             And they're free to do that ... or open their own bars -NT - (drewk) - July 7, 2004, 11:03:41 AM EDT
                                 Good catch. - (Another Scott) - (6) - July 7, 2004, 11:04:42 AM EDT
                                     the process in a bar - (boxley) - (5) - July 7, 2004, 11:08:37 AM EDT
                                         Now you're redirecting. Employees are doing 1 and 2? -NT - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 7, 2004, 11:11:14 AM EDT
                                             Never worked at a bar, I see -NT - (drewk) - (2) - July 7, 2004, 11:14:33 AM EDT
                                                 I did, briefly. <hack, cough> Not many tips for 1, 2 though. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 7, 2004, 11:17:53 AM EDT
                                                     Dude, that *is* the tip -NT - (drewk) - July 7, 2004, 11:29:25 AM EDT
                                             ya wanna get some regular, work at a bar -NT - (boxley) - July 7, 2004, 11:26:21 AM EDT
                 The state giveth, the state taketh away - (ben_tilly) - (14) - July 5, 2004, 04:14:35 PM EDT
                     60 Minutes story on eminent domain - (lister) - (7) - July 5, 2004, 04:44:26 PM EDT
                         Pah, Mike Wallace. - (admin) - (6) - July 5, 2004, 06:35:02 PM EDT
                             Wasn't that something that came up at the party? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - July 5, 2004, 07:35:25 PM EDT
                                 (Nothing to see. (Thanks)). -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 5, 2004, 07:39:18 PM EDT
                                     I don't know how that happened - (ben_tilly) - July 5, 2004, 07:39:54 PM EDT
                                 Mine. -NT - (admin) - July 5, 2004, 09:01:01 PM EDT
                             Explain -NT - (broomberg) - (1) - July 5, 2004, 06:56:08 PM EDT
                                 Re: Explain - (admin) - July 5, 2004, 09:06:31 PM EDT
                     You have no problem with government ownership of everything? - (imric) - (5) - July 5, 2004, 10:23:33 PM EDT
                         You got it - (ben_tilly) - (4) - July 6, 2004, 01:10:00 AM EDT
                             Excuse me? - (imric) - (3) - July 6, 2004, 06:52:59 AM EDT
                                 You'd be an example of someone who feels differently - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 6, 2004, 10:29:30 AM EDT
                                     And now - (imric) - (1) - July 6, 2004, 12:35:56 PM EDT
                                         Prepare your residence for quartering -NT - (ChrisR) - July 6, 2004, 12:43:56 PM EDT
             Why doesn't anyone else notice? - (drewk) - (13) - July 6, 2004, 11:22:14 AM EDT
                 Because that doesn't work - (ben_tilly) - (12) - July 6, 2004, 11:51:56 AM EDT
                     So who cares more? - (drewk) - (11) - July 6, 2004, 01:54:54 PM EDT
                         Re: So who cares more? - (deSitter) - July 6, 2004, 02:06:08 PM EDT
                         Because a critical group is invisible - (ben_tilly) - (9) - July 6, 2004, 06:55:30 PM EDT
                             Ah, that invisible opportunity cost. - (a6l6e6x) - July 6, 2004, 07:24:16 PM EDT
                             Re: Because a critical group is invisible - (deSitter) - (7) - July 6, 2004, 08:24:31 PM EDT
                                 Really? - (admin) - (6) - July 6, 2004, 08:27:09 PM EDT
                                     Re: Really? - (deSitter) - (5) - July 6, 2004, 08:30:52 PM EDT
                                         I don't live there. - (admin) - (4) - July 6, 2004, 08:32:11 PM EDT
                                             Re: I don't live there. - (deSitter) - (3) - July 6, 2004, 08:34:28 PM EDT
                                                 High side of 20%... - (admin) - (2) - July 6, 2004, 09:09:37 PM EDT
                                                     $5 for two beers - (deSitter) - (1) - July 6, 2004, 09:12:05 PM EDT
                                                         That won't buy one at ballgame. -NT - (jbrabeck) - July 6, 2004, 10:35:58 PM EDT
         Horribly overboard - (JayMehaffey) - July 5, 2004, 02:08:43 PM EDT
         Tough luck - (lister) - (10) - July 5, 2004, 03:45:14 PM EDT
             A-friggin'-men. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (9) - July 5, 2004, 06:57:15 PM EDT
                 "A-friggin'-men." - it's the new MeToo! (tm) - (Meerkat) - (8) - July 5, 2004, 07:47:35 PM EDT
                     Here in Kingston, Ontario - (jake123) - (7) - July 5, 2004, 10:24:12 PM EDT
                         Hasten the old folks to the grave - (lister) - (6) - July 5, 2004, 10:32:04 PM EDT
                             Re: parents who smoke in front of their kids - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - July 6, 2004, 12:42:12 PM EDT
                                 My wife and SIL had non smoking seats on Aeroflot. - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 6, 2004, 12:52:13 PM EDT
                                     Re: My wife and SIL had non smoking seats on Aeroflot. - (deSitter) - July 6, 2004, 12:58:56 PM EDT
                                     Another recent Aeroflot story. - (Another Scott) - July 20, 2004, 10:29:53 AM EDT
                                 Smoking & non-smoking sections on airplanes - (StevenYap) - (1) - July 8, 2004, 03:27:18 AM EDT
                                     Now don't start getting all logical on us... -NT - (Another Scott) - July 8, 2004, 07:11:57 AM EDT
         I see what you posted - (orion) - July 9, 2004, 07:09:11 PM EDT
         Bloomington (MN) Bans Smoking - (jbrabeck) - (1) - July 20, 2004, 10:37:26 AM EDT
             I'm sure we can go for !00% Sin-free, next. -NT - (Ashton) - July 21, 2004, 06:33:39 PM EDT

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