Tough luck

Post #162,908 by lister 7/5/04 3:45:14 PM Reply	Tough luck We've now got a city wide smoking ban in restaurants, bars, billiard halls, bingo halls, etc. here in Toronto and it's about time! Smokers can kiss my ass! If they want pollute themselves in the privacy of their own homes that's fine with me but not when it comes to public places even if they're private public places but their "right" to smoke ends at my eyes, nose, lungs and clothes. Gah what a disgusting habit! Actually I should mention that smoking is still allowed on patio's and in designated smoking rooms though the latter will likely disappear in the next few years. lister
Post #162,939 by inthane-chan 7/5/04 6:57:15 PM Reply	A-friggin'-men.
Post #162,948 by Meerkat 7/5/04 7:47:35 PM Reply	"A-friggin'-men." - it's the new MeToo! (tm) But hey, Me Too! So far in Sydney smoking is banned in public (ie government) buildings, workplaces, public transport, and restaurants or any 'eating place'. Not yet banned in pubs and clubs, except the areas in which they serve food of course. Full list of places and regulations and so forth in [link\|http://www.nswcc.org.au/html/prevention/smoking_tobacco/downloads/fact_smokefreensw.pdf\|this PDF]. I recently went to see a band in a smoke-free venue, the difference was amazing. For a start, you could actually see th band. The only downside was that when I got home I felt like I hadn't been out, as my clothes didn't reek of cigarette smoke... Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #162,997 by jake123 7/5/04 10:24:12 PM Reply	Here in Kingston, Ontario we've got the strongest anti-smoking law of any city in Canada. No smoking in bars, restaurants, etc, not even on patios. The only place you can still smoke is in bingo halls for some reason. I've smoked from 18, but I like the bars better too now that they're non-smoking. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #162,998 by lister 7/5/04 10:32:04 PM Reply	Hasten the old folks to the grave How many young'uns you see playing bingo? Oh let 'em die HACK HACK in peace. I have to find out if or when the patio ban kicks in. Hopefully next summer... What really floors me is parents who smoke in front of their kids especially in their cars where the kids are a captive audience. That's just plain thoughtless lazy stupidity. lister
Post #163,066 by a6l6e6x 7/6/04 12:42:12 PM Reply	Re: parents who smoke in front of their kids The worst flight in my life was in a smoking section of an Olympic Airlines flight from Athens, Greece to NYC. My wife and I were in the smoking section because that was the only thing available. Parents traveling with kids who had seats in the non-smoking section came to stand and smoke by our seats. And that's not just a couple of people. Talk about adding insult to injury! Alex "If I seem unduly clear to you, you must have misunderstood what I said." -- Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve chairman
Post #163,071 by Another Scott 7/6/04 12:52:13 PM Reply	My wife and SIL had non smoking seats on Aeroflot. They flew to Ireland and Aeroflot was cheapest. Their seats were in the No Smoking section. Make that, their seats were the No Smoking section. =( To hear them tell it, it was quite an unpleasant - there was something under the floor that was very hot (something's wrong with the plane!), the Russian businessmen passengers were drinking and smoking and singing or talking very loud the entire flight, and the only thing passed out by the crew to drink was liquor (they didn't have soft drinks!). The flight back was worse as the flight was delayed by the crew trying to round up the drunken passengers from the airport bar... So remember, it can always be worse. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #163,072 by deSitter 7/6/04 12:58:56 PM Reply	Re: My wife and SIL had non smoking seats on Aeroflot. No smoker minds not having smoking on the airplane. Again, this is a matter of blankets bans in privately owned property. Of course anyone who wants to open a smoking-permitted airline, should be allowed to. -drl
Post #165,145 by Another Scott 7/20/04 10:29:53 AM Reply	Another recent Aeroflot story. [link\|http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-passenger-assaulted,0,7277369.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines\|Newsday] - the URL will change: July 20, 2004, 9:41 AM EDT MOSCOW -- Drunken passengers often give air crews trouble, but Russia's leading airline on Tuesday reported an "unprecedented" reversal: A passenger was assaulted by intoxicated flight attendants. Two crew members on a domestic Aeroflot flight beat up a passenger who had complained that the flight attendants were drunk, airline spokeswoman Irina Dannenberg said. The passenger, identified only as A. Chernopup, was aboard a recent flight from Moscow to the Siberian city of Nizhnevartovsk, Dannenberg said. She said the crew belonged to another airline, Aviaenergo. Seeing that the crew were intoxicated and were not fulfilling their duties, Chernopup asked to be served by a sober and competent flight attendant, Dannenberg said. He was then beaten up by crew members. On Russian flights, attendants often have to struggle to keep intoxicated passengers under control. But on this flight, Dannenberg said, flight attendants were so intoxicated that they "behaved improperly" and only began catering to passengers 1 1/2 hours into the four-hour trip. The daily Izvestia quoted another passenger as saying that half of the food the crew served ended up on the floor, leaving the aisle strewn with debris that passengers had to walk over as they disembarked. According to the passenger, Chernopup left the plane with a black eye and was promptly sent to a doctor. Izvestia also reported that a criminal case was opened after Chernopup reported the incident to the police. Dannenberg said that the plane was carrying out an Aeroflot flight, but both the aircraft and the crew belonged to Aviaenergo. Aeroflot has been contracting out from Aviaenergo since August 2003, but the incident prompted it to tighten control over Aviaenergo's staff, she said. The entire crew of the flight has been temporarily dismissed and a joint commission is investigating the incident, Dannenberg said. Cheers, Scott.
Post #163,365 by StevenYap 7/8/04 3:27:18 AM Reply	Smoking & non-smoking sections on airplanes The worst flight in my life was in a smoking section of an Olympic Airlines flight from Athens, Greece to NYC. \r\n\r\nHow the heck do you have smoking and non-smoking sections on a plane without using separate ventilation systems, and air locks between the sections?\r\n
Post #163,371 by Another Scott 7/8/04 7:11:57 AM Reply	Now don't start getting all logical on us...

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