That!!!

Completely unsurprised at his response.

I recall those exchanges well. The heat merely expressed the vehemence of the polarities. It is the very-same non-'debate' being Acted Out Right Now re the Far-Right Fundie roots of the present cabal, and its obvious agenda:

That we shall ALL accept their horrific vision of the cosmos -
Or boil in the oil of the Fantasy of Revelations. Period. cha cha cha.
(Meanwhile: screw the planet, its resources and the fools upon it, less'n they are in My Exact Club - but.. We'll Be Watching *YOU* Too..)

This conflict, and its Paternalistic, Authoritarian root forms the very core of the Puritan- and other seeds in the Murican conditioning process. Why should it surprise.. or for that matter, Matter! - - should a fellow IT-person demonstrate the entire panoply of Beliefs of all those 'possessed' of the illusion-of-Possessing THE Truth\ufffd ??

Shit happens (but only to those who always use the 3rd person, to evade responsibilty for Shitting).

Ben is quite correct, via my own recollections -- of a pattern of Ben-baiting snide remarks, culminating in a STATEMENT (not mere wink-wink nudge-nudge BS) involving the fact of Ben's marriage, etc. etc. as needs NO recapitulation here or anywhere. Insulting is too mild a word as is, hubris.. too innocuous a tag for the perpetrator of such garbage as I Read. (Much of That exchange may even reside on an old HD of mine, somewhere)

He sowed. He pontificated. He reaped. He left. EOF

So then - Nick may have been all those Wonderful things as regards insightful delineation of *nix and of the machinations of the standard corrupt Murican Corporation du jour. {Yawn} And fun to be around, on the level of beer + Billy jokes.

But I deem him, from his own words - among the identified enemies of the continued survival of the planet. It is He and His (their mindset) who shall forever perpetuate the head-on Iraq-ization of the world until the nukes come out.

And: THEY WILL. There is no shame left in our governance or our culture, nor finally, within those whom we have contrived against -- for the Lion's share of all the stuff out there. That die is cast. We'll Kill to keep the stuff -as much as we can keep- of the lopsided 'division of spoils' 5%/95% ratio. They will kill because: they know this too. And now - many also believe that Unlimited Consuming IS The Tao; we've sold Our Religion so effectively...
Just gotta love Irony, to live 'here'.

These weapons will be used, and increasingly likely, with each new piece of Language Murder: in my lifetime. Thus certainly: within Yours. Because of intransigence precisely as limned, post-by-post within >this microcosm< referenced. (That's the only 'value' I can see to its preservation; it could be edited quite a bit to tell briefly The Same Old Old Story that got us here, today.) No other 'value'.

I don't miss the presence of such a one, at all; I'd join the same debate with any wannabe replacement who cares to duel about His 'Absolute Truth' cha cha cha.

(And folks who want to keep it light and fizzy hereabouts - need not indulge when apocalyptic matters are faced by any of the others.) Nothing compels. If we start eschewing those er controversial topics :-0 -?- It's. All. Over.

At one point, I felt concern for the physical safety of Nick's (ex-) wife. Rage + Religio-Certainty Kills, now more and more often. Apparently she has escaped; have no idea of the factoids of the ex-family situation, nor could anyone know the contributing factors within ANY coupling. That much: we Know we don't know shit about.

my 3 kopeks.

RIP

Post #145,473 by folkert 3/10/04 7:55:45 PM 3/10/04 7:58:00 PM Reply	That!!! Is exactly what is keeping me from doing it as well. And Recently, I reached out to Nicolas Petreley. He basically said "Hi, thanks, but no thanks" -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy who pushed me still has the whip-marks. Edited by folkert March 10, 2004, 07:58:00 PM EST Expand All History
Post #145,935 by Ashton 3/12/04 5:58:06 PM Reply	Re: That!!! Completely unsurprised at his response. I recall those exchanges well. The heat merely expressed the vehemence of the polarities. It is the very-same non-'debate' being Acted Out Right Now re the Far-Right Fundie roots of the present cabal, and its obvious agenda: That we shall ALL accept their horrific vision of the cosmos - Or boil in the oil of the Fantasy of Revelations. Period. cha cha cha. (Meanwhile: screw the planet, its resources and the fools upon it, less'n they are in My Exact Club - but.. We'll Be Watching YOU Too..) This conflict, and its Paternalistic, Authoritarian root forms the very core of the Puritan- and other seeds in the Murican conditioning process. Why should it surprise.. or for that matter, Matter! - - should a fellow IT-person demonstrate the entire panoply of Beliefs of all those 'possessed' of the illusion-of-Possessing THE Truth\ufffd ?? Shit happens (but only to those who always use the 3rd person, to evade responsibilty for Shitting). Ben is quite correct, via my own recollections -- of a pattern of Ben-baiting snide remarks, culminating in a STATEMENT (not mere wink-wink nudge-nudge BS) involving the fact of Ben's marriage, etc. etc. as needs NO recapitulation here or anywhere. Insulting is too mild a word as is, hubris.. too innocuous a tag for the perpetrator of such garbage as I Read. (Much of That exchange may even reside on an old HD of mine, somewhere) He sowed. He pontificated. He reaped. He left. EOF So then - Nick may have been all those Wonderful things as regards insightful delineation of nix and of the machinations of the standard corrupt Murican Corporation du jour. {Yawn} And fun to be around, on the level of beer + Billy jokes. But I deem him, from his own words - among the identified enemies of the continued survival of the planet. It is He and His (their mindset) who shall forever perpetuate the head-on Iraq-ization of the world until the nukes come out. And: THEY WILL. There is no shame left in our governance or our culture, nor finally, within those whom we have contrived against -- for the Lion's share of all the stuff out there. That die is cast. We'll Kill to keep the stuff -as much as we can keep- of the lopsided 'division of spoils' 5%/95% ratio. They will kill because: they know this too. And now - many also believe that Unlimited Consuming IS The Tao; we've sold Our Religion so effectively... Just gotta love Irony, to live 'here'. These weapons will be used, and increasingly likely, with each new piece of Language Murder: in my lifetime. Thus certainly: within Yours. Because of intransigence* precisely as limned, post-by-post within >this microcosm< referenced. (That's the only 'value' I can see to its preservation; it could be edited quite a bit to tell briefly The Same Old Old Story that got us here, today.) No other 'value'. I don't miss the presence of such a one, at all; I'd join the same debate with any wannabe replacement who cares to duel about His 'Absolute Truth' cha cha cha. (And folks who want to keep it light and fizzy hereabouts - need not indulge when apocalyptic matters are faced by any of the others.) Nothing compels. If we start eschewing those er controversial topics :-0 -?- It's. All. Over. At one point, I felt concern for the physical safety of Nick's (ex-) wife. Rage + Religio-Certainty Kills, now more and more often. Apparently she has escaped; have no idea of the factoids of the ex-family situation, nor could anyone know the contributing factors within ANY coupling. That much: we Know we don't know shit about. my 3 kopeks. RIP
Post #145,938 by ben_tilly 3/12/04 6:17:52 PM Reply	And this is why I don't want it resurrected There are still strong feelings about the events. Incidentally if any of Nick's claims about Janice are correct, she went from bad to worse. I know well how unreliable an ex-spouse's claims are. But still I wonder from time to time how Janice is doing, and would contact her if I knew how. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #145,958 by boxley 3/12/04 7:47:29 PM Reply	Not our bidness :( but we are relatively easy to find if ya can get near the web. Hope all is well in all directions. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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