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New Good Point.
<flame>Dammint</flame> (to get the Flame Forum Requirement issue taken care of)

Actually, you'd be very surprised. I don't have a vendetta with him. You chat with/mail him recently?

Sure, I was pounding my chest, trying to prove who was right. In the end, neither of us was and we all lost (before I chest pounded) a good friend, with some possibly quirky habits, and a whole lot of knowledge and good intent.

Most times lately, *Z* is my last stop for the day at work. Unfortunately, that is probably the worst time I should be looking at it. I am going to make it my mid-morning breaktime thing. Much better frame of mind at that point. If I don't get to it then... NEVER after 12PM Local. Until I get home, then and only then when I am out of the "Just got home" rush, and had a pretty good day. If none that applies... Next Mid-Morning break.

And I have spoken/chatted/emailed some on that list as well, it is always the general level of Bickering. And, once they get started a few can't/won't stop until a blowout if the other party responds. So chosing not to participate was the cure for them.

And, yes it did help Ross recover for the "positive" negative reaction feedback loop he was in. Overall, I also sincerely doubt it improved him. It just broke the rampant cycle.

Not trying to justify what I did, but then Ben, how can you sit there and not be completely over-whelmed by the sheer audacity of some of his recent Postings that were Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, elitism, New-World Order, overall generally unconscionable crap.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
New I'll tell you how
I recognized the pattern and skipped most of those posts. I also noted how people did (or did not) respond. I replied occasionally in some of the threads where a point interested me.

I understand why Ross is angry, and make mental allowances for that. He lashes out at the world, but he does not try to directly go for people's known sore spots.

But when I saw you blow up and aim straight for the fucking (inserted so that this still belongs in flames...) jugular, that was different. Different in the way that watching someone be angry and beating on a tree is different than watching someone stick a knife in someone else.

(And bringing up Karsten while doing that was a definite sore point for me.)

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Understand.
Please, also understand, changes/promises I have made in the previous post are for real.

I will make sure, I temper my responses. Meanwhile my CSS list has grown by one. And prolly will stay that way for a while.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
     Greg, YOU give it a rest - (ben_tilly) - (84)
         Save for the fact that I know your beliefs.... - (bepatient) - (2)
             Amen as well - (broomberg) - (1)
                 Hey, don't worry about it - (jb4)
         You and others believe what you will (rant and agreement) - (folkert) - (64)
             Yes, we will - (ben_tilly) - (63)
                 So.. Let me get this straight. - (folkert) - (62)
                     A couple comments - (Nightowl) - (41)
                         One thing you need to understand, hooty one. - (pwhysall) - (40)
                             Regardless what they are called - (Nightowl) - (39)
                                 You miss my point. - (pwhysall) - (38)
                                     The Ban and The Lock -NT - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                         Ah yes, good catch. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                         And the Comfy Chair! -NT - (admin) - (2)
                                             And the soft cushions! With the stuffing all in one corner! -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                 LRPD: I just KNEW the Good Humor Man was behind this... -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                     Maybe so - (Nightowl) - (23)
                                         No. No "they". - (pwhysall) - (22)
                                             Re: No. No "they". - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                                 Let's look at it another way. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                     Okay, I concur - (Nightowl)
                                                     Periodic? How's that? - (folkert)
                                             You stupid ass clown... - (danreck) - (13)
                                                 Re: You stupid ass clown... - (danreck) - (2)
                                                     Re: You stupid ass clown... - (danreck) - (1)
                                                         Only three? - (folkert)
                                                 No, I think the rabid ones were wolves. The dogs... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     Re: No, I think the rabid ones were wolves. The dogs... - (danreck)
                                                 oo0..Please stop calumniating..0oo -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                     ooO Sauvons Michel! Ooo - (deSitter)
                                                 Point of order. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                     Re: Point of order. - (admin) - (3)
                                                         Thanks for clearing that up.... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             np. - (admin)
                                                         LOL! -NT - (slugbug)
                                                     one are adjectives describing a noun - (boxley)
                                             20 hours, not 3 weeks - (admin) - (1)
                                                 I meant calendar - (pwhysall)
                                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
                                             Confirming your statement(s) - (folkert)
                                     TLA translation, please: IFS?!? -NT - (jb4) - (8)
                                         Internet Face Stab - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                             Grr. You're too quick! Ruined me joke! ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 I know :\\ - (pwhysall)
                                             Re: Internet Face Stab - (jb4) - (1)
                                                 Not much of a joke, really... Just hit the link and scroll. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                             Wow. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                 Not on MSN. - (Another Scott)
                                         Installable File System. - (Another Scott)
                     I guess that was unfair. - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                         Good Point. - (folkert) - (2)
                             I'll tell you how - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Understand. - (folkert)
                     Gad, what a list! - (jb4) - (15)
                         Re:Damn, I'm getting old! - (hnick)
                         I did not realize we lost that many... Sad list indeed. - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                             aye, it does hurt. -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                             The LRPD brings some back, e.g. MHuber. :-( -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 bkosse. :( -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                     was hoping that one wouldn't come up >:( -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                         You can add to that list... - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                             That!!! - (folkert) - (3)
                                 Re: That!!! - (Ashton) - (2)
                                     And this is why I don't want it resurrected - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                         Not our bidness :( - (boxley)
                             Interesting observation - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                 That's all well and good but... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                     Thanks for explaining that - (Nightowl)
                                     That was the One. - (folkert)
         Well I'm sorry too - (deSitter) - (3)
             ! - (admin)
             Hang in there. You'll get through this rough time. -NT - (Another Scott)
             Alternate analysis - (ben_tilly)
         I say, DAMN impressive language skills there... - (CRConrad) - (11)
             Soylent Green is people! -NT - (admin) - (10)
                 "People", the collective (i.e, plural) term... - (CRConrad) - (9)
                     This frog won't croak any more... -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         No fucking wonder - it's almost... - (CRConrad)
                     Soylent brown is toddlers -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                         As seen on TV! -NT - (inthane-chan)
                     ... - (admin) - (4)
                         Sheesh, you guys... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             Eh... - (admin) - (2)
                                 No, of course I realised that if a frog won't croak, it... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     Let us not even start on the multifarious 'cracked crab' -NT - (Ashton)

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