Our moralities are different

Post #105,088 by ben_tilly 6/6/03 5:22:22 AM Reply	Our moralities are different I see no particular value in banging my head against a brick wall. If you do, then that is your business. As for Jerry Falwell, etc, I have no idea what their morality is. However I have personally known very sincere people whose moral code was derived directly from their understanding of the Bible. They didn't respect people whose value systems were more generous - they saw said people as tools of Satan. As for your "stable society" comment, what characteristic did you want to say is necessary? Thou shalt not kill? Look at Polynesian societies which accepted using cannibalism as a means of population control? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Examine hazing rituals. Etc, etc, etc. Our tendancy is to believe that many things must resemble that with which we are familiar. But the world is stranger than we (or at least I) generally imagine. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #105,119 by Arkadiy 6/6/03 11:47:30 AM Reply	Could you explain, in your own words, the difference between "moral" and "practical"? I would love to hear it. Polinesian cannibalism seems to be associated with warfare wherever I can find it on the Internet. And we all know that prisoners of war aren't really people, don't we? Can you point me at non-war-related cannibalism? Hazing rituals? Again, not everything a person does is moral. It's more a case of "I suffered for somebody else's fun, therefore you shall suffer for my enjoyment". Very human and practical, but I doubt that the prerpetrators pause to think about right and wrong (as opposed to pleasant and "cool"). Additionally, in extreme cases (such as gang or cult initiation rituals), people who undergo it are not quite people yet - they have to earn that privilege. Can't argue about "Tools of Satan". I guess you have me there. My only answer is that such people are a rarity, and, if you get them together in one place, aren't likely to form a stable society. -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
Post #105,121 by boxley 6/6/03 11:59:10 AM Reply	non warfare cannibalism, see hindu sects will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] "I hit him so hard in the head his dog shat a turd in the shape of Jesus" Leonard Pine
Post #105,126 by Arkadiy 6/6/03 12:21:08 PM Reply	Links? Also, sects fit in the definition of "circles" perfectly. -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
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Post #105,140 by Arkadiy 6/6/03 2:13:21 PM Reply	The report is rife with references to things like "sin", "forbidden" and "revulsion". They do it specifically because it's wrong. -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
Post #105,143 by boxley 6/6/03 2:20:02 PM Reply	good way to untie the mind from humanity will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] "I hit him so hard in the head his dog shat a turd in the shape of Jesus" Leonard Pine
Post #106,811 by ben_tilly 6/21/03 2:16:54 PM Reply	Explanation My belief is that people internally have systems of morality. This system doesn't always match what they say, or what they do, but when people see themselves acting in ways that don't match their internal morality, they feel emotions like guilt. To me, therefore, moral behaviour means behaviour which I think is dictated by the internal sense of morality of the person acting. For instance I consider a lot of what Richard Stallman does to be moral behaviour, because it is motivated by his morality (or appears to be - read what he says) even if the issues involved don't match my sense of right and wrong. I don't consider similar choices on the part of Bob Young to be moral behaviour because his self-described morality is quite different. (He had at one point an excellent talk on why it was in Red Hat's marketing self-interest to act in ways that the FSF considered moral.) By contrast "practical" means just that, courses of actions that might be indicated because they are doable and not necessarily for any other reason. As for Polynesian cannibalism, I likewise cannot find any links to what I was thinking of online. My memory, however, is of a series of articles that I had to read once for a philosophy course, in it they described a Polynesian cult on a densely populated island which was highly promiscuous, and then killed the resulting infants as a form of birth control. As you might imagine, the appalling image stuck in my mind... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]

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