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In a non profit you have a director(salesperson who pimps the charitable group to the public)
an accountant type who creates budgetary reports to report what money was spent on whom.
A client services person who detects who is available for services determined on criteria setup by the orgnization charter. Service providerss who are either in house or external and must meet requirements met by charter. Please explain, anyone why a degree is needed by any of these positions that entail common bookeeping and an abilit to read statutes. If a degree is offered in bookeeping (for example) if the books balance and no theft is dicerned by external auditors explain the harm.
thanx,
bill
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New Asking the wrong question
You are asking why the degree should be needed. That is orthogonal to what I was talking about.

A degree is an item which takes several years time, large sums of money, considerable effort, and when you get done, you aren't even guaranteed of getting it! Whether or not you think it should be worth that, that is what it takes to get one.

My experience is that people who are willing to try to claim the same benefits that said degree confers by lying are unlikely to have just gotten ahead by lying once. That means that even if external auditors (who frankly often aren't that external and often don't do a very good job - see Arthur Anderson for example) have not yet found something wrong, I won't be happy until a rather complete search is done. And it will take a long time before I would believe anything that that person says. The effort that this takes is damage done (even more damage if something is, as I would expect, turned up).

Furthermore when people become aware that liars are getting away with lying, the result is damage to our already tattered social fabric. This again is damage that I don't like.

As for whether it is OK for someone without the degree to hold the job? Well I have no problem with it. If they can get there and do the job honestly, the more power to them. I will not argue that there are a lot of stupid degree requirements that we would be better off without.

That still does not leave me inclined to leave known liars in a position of trust.

Regards,
Ben
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     There is moral relativism and moral relativism - (ben_tilly) - (41)
         Re: There is moral relativism and moral relativism - (rcareaga) - (37)
             You like invoking Godwin, don't you? - (ben_tilly) - (36)
                 Sheesh - (rcareaga) - (4)
                     Oh, I understood it alright - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                         am I assumed, then, - (rcareaga) - (2)
                             Speaking of imputing motives... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 (shrug) - (rcareaga)
                 Since we're talking Godwin here, - (Arkadiy) - (30)
                     Thank you for the penultimate coffin nail - (Ashton) - (12)
                         Funny you should be talking about this - (drewk) - (11)
                             Too bad he was wrong. - (tseliot) - (10)
                                 No he didnt - (boxley) - (9)
                                     How is e.g. the Lord's Supper about the Law? - (tseliot) - (8)
                                         okay, we can leave Paul out of it - (boxley) - (7)
                                             God didn't destroy the Covenant of Abraham - (orion) - (4)
                                                 the covenant was between G_d and Abraham - (boxley) - (3)
                                                     Jesus included gentiles - (orion)
                                                     Lazarus and the Rich Man - (orion) - (1)
                                                         Re: Lazarus and the Rich Man - (orion)
                                             So what was the reason for his death? - (tseliot) - (1)
                                                 he had foreknowledge all right - (boxley)
                     Where did I indicate that I think society is right? - (ben_tilly) - (16)
                         I've never said you consider the killer society right - (Arkadiy) - (15)
                             Let me turn that around - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                                 Tur(i)n Complete ;-) - (Ashton) - (2)
                                     a lot of it is in humanity itself - (boxley) - (1)
                                         Helping the poor - (orion)
                                 Re: Let me turn that around - (Arkadiy) - (10)
                                     And we continue to disagree - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                                         Tiling at giants that look like windmills - (Arkadiy) - (8)
                                             Our moralities are different - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                                 Could you explain, - (Arkadiy) - (6)
                                                     non warfare cannibalism, see hindu sects -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                         Links? - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                                             links - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                 The report is rife - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                                                     good way to untie the mind from humanity -NT - (boxley)
                                                     Explanation - (ben_tilly)
         Re: There is moral relativism and moral relativism - (Ashton)
         #If defs - (boxley) - (1)
             Asking the wrong question - (ben_tilly)

In conclusion, lithium in the water supply.
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