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by tseliot
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6/4/03 12:57:20 AM
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New So what was the reason for his death?
If the Last Supper was just a good ol' boys get-together, then what purpose did the crucifixion have? Or do you simply deny he had foreknowledge of his betrayal; i.e. that his death wasn't planned or necessary?
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #104,760
by boxley
6/4/03 8:46:48 AM
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New he had foreknowledge all right
some have even suggested that he had to force Judas into informing on him. Others have suggested that he leaned on Judas for strength in the coming trial. Considering how many crucifictions were carried out in that era the cause of death is not by itself significant because after all if it happened today would you wear a little electric chair around your neck? Of course not.
His death was planned by many some with knowledge aforethought. Without his death, his message would have been lost in less than a generation instead of being tweaked and woven into the tapestry that is christianity today. I rather suspect he would/is not be thrilled with the state of the message today.
thanx,
bill
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         Re: There is moral relativism and moral relativism - (rcareaga) - (37) - April 27, 2003, 03:10:28 PM EDT
             You like invoking Godwin, don't you? - (ben_tilly) - (36) - April 27, 2003, 02:21:56 PM EDT
                 Sheesh - (rcareaga) - (4) - April 27, 2003, 03:03:55 PM EDT
                     Oh, I understood it alright - (ben_tilly) - (3) - April 27, 2003, 03:56:38 PM EDT
                         am I assumed, then, - (rcareaga) - (2) - April 27, 2003, 04:31:31 PM EDT
                             Speaking of imputing motives... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 27, 2003, 06:06:20 PM EDT
                                 (shrug) - (rcareaga) - April 27, 2003, 09:13:32 PM EDT
                 Since we're talking Godwin here, - (Arkadiy) - (30) - May 30, 2003, 09:52:41 AM EDT
                     Thank you for the penultimate coffin nail - (Ashton) - (12) - May 30, 2003, 05:30:10 PM EDT
                         Funny you should be talking about this - (drewk) - (11) - June 2, 2003, 10:20:58 AM EDT
                             Too bad he was wrong. - (tseliot) - (10) - June 3, 2003, 12:36:02 PM EDT
                                 No he didnt - (boxley) - (9) - June 3, 2003, 01:48:20 PM EDT
                                     How is e.g. the Lord's Supper about the Law? - (tseliot) - (8) - June 3, 2003, 03:57:16 PM EDT
                                         okay, we can leave Paul out of it - (boxley) - (7) - June 3, 2003, 08:56:06 PM EDT
                                             God didn't destroy the Covenant of Abraham - (orion) - (4) - June 3, 2003, 10:15:08 PM EDT
                                                 the covenant was between G_d and Abraham - (boxley) - (3) - June 4, 2003, 08:52:07 AM EDT
                                                     Jesus included gentiles - (orion) - June 4, 2003, 01:10:55 PM EDT
                                                     Lazarus and the Rich Man - (orion) - (1) - June 7, 2003, 11:26:29 PM EDT
                                                         Re: Lazarus and the Rich Man - (orion) - June 7, 2003, 11:51:21 PM EDT
                                             So what was the reason for his death? - (tseliot) - (1) - June 4, 2003, 12:57:20 AM EDT
                                                 he had foreknowledge all right - (boxley) - June 4, 2003, 08:46:48 AM EDT
                     Where did I indicate that I think society is right? - (ben_tilly) - (16) - June 3, 2003, 02:17:42 AM EDT
                         I've never said you consider the killer society right - (Arkadiy) - (15) - June 3, 2003, 10:40:39 AM EDT
                             Let me turn that around - (ben_tilly) - (14) - June 3, 2003, 11:39:48 AM EDT
                                 Tur(i)n Complete ;-) - (Ashton) - (2) - June 3, 2003, 06:33:24 PM EDT
                                     a lot of it is in humanity itself - (boxley) - (1) - June 3, 2003, 08:58:09 PM EDT
                                         Helping the poor - (orion) - June 3, 2003, 10:21:40 PM EDT
                                 Re: Let me turn that around - (Arkadiy) - (10) - June 4, 2003, 06:08:35 PM EDT
                                     And we continue to disagree - (ben_tilly) - (9) - June 4, 2003, 11:06:03 PM EDT
                                         Tiling at giants that look like windmills - (Arkadiy) - (8) - June 5, 2003, 10:08:32 AM EDT
                                             Our moralities are different - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 6, 2003, 05:22:22 AM EDT
                                                 Could you explain, - (Arkadiy) - (6) - June 6, 2003, 11:47:30 AM EDT
                                                     non warfare cannibalism, see hindu sects -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 6, 2003, 11:59:10 AM EDT
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                                                             links - (boxley) - (2) - June 6, 2003, 01:05:13 PM EDT
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                                                                     good way to untie the mind from humanity -NT - (boxley) - June 6, 2003, 02:20:02 PM EDT
                                                     Explanation - (ben_tilly) - June 21, 2003, 02:16:54 PM EDT
         Re: There is moral relativism and moral relativism - (Ashton) - April 27, 2003, 10:01:29 PM EDT
         #If defs - (boxley) - (1) - May 4, 2003, 12:09:48 AM EDT
             Asking the wrong question - (ben_tilly) - May 14, 2003, 03:59:28 PM EDT

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