Post #74,110
1/12/03 9:42:16 AM
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Having the darndest time trying to troubleshoot this problem
I recently bought an Athlon 2000 + xp processor, and have been having nothing but headaches trying to get it to work.
I had an Athlon 1000 processor -- it runs jim-dandy in my computer. I'd tried upgrading to an Athlon 1600 xp a while back, but I damaged it when I tried to put a 400 lb heat sink/fan combo on it (I actually heard the processor CRACK).
At any rate, I was more careful this time.
When I attached a top-of-the-line heat-sink/fan combo to the 2000xp, it would start to boot and then immediately shut off three seconds later. I don't know why. When I attached the heat-sink/fan combo that came with the processor (which was substantially smaller) it booted just fine. Jim-dandy, even.
Still, I noticed (to my horror) that whenever the machine was running a game with particularly intensive cpu work (high graphics content like Morrowind, or lots of background calculations like civilizations III) or whenever I was doing a lot of heavy multitasking, the computer would often REBOOT, damn it all.
I thought at first it was CPU heat, but I don't think it is, because I've switched to the old cpu and it actually seems to put out MORE heat, according to my hardware monitor, than the new one. Which is odd, but there you are.
Perhaps then, the new CPU is just more *sensitive* to heat, and craps out at a lower temperature level?
Or perhaps it's a power problem. Maybe a 400w power supply isn't enough?
Or maybe it's a circuit-breaker problem. The line I'm plugged in to just barely supports my machine, as long as you don't turn on all the lights in the room, and the tv, and the vcr. :) Could a computer actually draw in MORE power when it's doing more work? That doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me, but hey, I guess it could happen.
At any rate, I'm on the older processor now, and at least everything is stable. grump grump.
Has anyone run into this before?
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,113
1/12/03 10:03:48 AM
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Check the mounting holes on the MB
Adn make sure you have them well tightened... not OVER tightened... I have even used a wire with eyelets to make a good ground to the case for the motherboard AND the power supply
Also, make sure you have a good ground to the third prong on the outlet for power.
Could also be, you have a slight crack in the mother board that is worsened by the "Sooper-Dooper" Heatsink. There by also causing heat flex.
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Post #74,114
1/12/03 10:46:53 AM
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Re: Check the mounting holes on the MB
That could solve the large fan problem, but what about the fast processor causes reboots/slower processor doesn't problem?
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,115
1/12/03 11:05:32 AM
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It could be the Current Draw with the BAD
ground would be causing additional heat problems and or intermittent connections...
Make sure the Power Connector has all the pins in it properly to... (the 20/28 pin connector to the mother board).
Believe it or not, but BIOS updates also provide for an amount of stability at higher clock speeds to. Wade Bowmer had an Asus A7V266(E or N) and it was Horribly unstable until he got the latest BIOS update on it. Matter of fact it wouldn't even recognoize his processor properly until he did that.
I have had multiple motherboards with that same problem. Example, I have a friend having FITS with an XP2400+ on an MSI KT4 Ultra Motherboard... It is so silly in fact he has under-clocked the processor to get stability... thinks it'd an XP2000+. MSI, says an UPDATE is in Beta for the problems he is experiencing... Yep RSN (Real Soon Now) it'll actually support the DDR400 memory he bought for it too... ;) Currently running PC2100 cause it was cheap and he had little money to "spend" to have a running system.
So, you may want to investigate a BIOS update for your board too...
BTW, is Mark actually going to blow a Gasket while being the "Lunar Moth"? Your current line on UserSoft is Tremendously Hilarious... Really it is... I had to go back re-read it again and laughed the whole way through... I am on the edge of my seat...
Er... Christmas? - Try, Again!
BWAHAHAHA!
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,118
1/12/03 11:28:08 AM
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Hehehe, glad you like it
I've actually been a bit dissatisfied with the storyline... I like the idea behind it, but I've been lukewarm as to most of the jokes. However, the responses I'm getting from it are good, so maybe I'm just getting jaded and cynical about my own jaded cynicism...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,189
1/12/03 9:50:18 PM
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Yeah, try a BIOS upgrade.
Greg had the right of it: my new m/b was vaguely confused about what it had stuck into it until I did that. It didn't recognise the processor (called it something much slower than it was), couldn't see the NIC and had trouble with the AGP card.
Wade.
Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs.
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Post #74,200
1/12/03 11:03:30 PM
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Well, I tried updating the BIOS
So we'll see how that works out...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,211
1/12/03 11:57:28 PM
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Updating the BIOS doesn't seem to work.
If anything, I'm getting the reboots more often. Hmph.
On the other hand, it does now correctly identify my CPU as an Athlon 2000+, and now reports my CPU speed as 1667 (or thereabouts) mhz instead of 1250 (though there is also a 1250 setting).
Also, my hardware sensors are reporting that the CPU is putting out significantly more heat. :) 51-55 deg. celsius, instead of the mid-40s as it had with the old bios. So I wonder if the old bios was reading it incorrectly.
At any rate, the machine isn't any more stable with the new CPU than it had been. Back to the Athlon 1000 until I can figure this out...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,212
1/13/03 12:53:21 AM
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Try resetting the CMOS
to factory safe conditions and see if that works. Don't overclock the CPU either, it may come back and bite you later.
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Post #74,215
1/13/03 1:01:22 AM
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That it's now reporting the CPU correctly is actually good.
It can only help. Really! That you're getting more reboots and it's reporting a higher temp means it's probably clocking it correctly. Now to figure out why it's rebooting like that...
Here's an idea: take out all cards except the video card and see how you go. If it runs stably, put the cards back in one by one until it gets crashy. Then you know what drivers need a serious upgrade.
Wade.
Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs.
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Post #74,218
1/13/03 2:16:12 AM
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Or check the CPU fan
this happened to my brother, his CPU fan he got shipped was the rong one and had a different RPM than the one he should have been using. So the cPU overheated and started a reset of the system while a while.
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Post #74,239
1/13/03 9:25:54 AM
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Well, the CPU fan/heat sink
has the AMD brand logo on it, and it runs faster than any of the other fans in my computer (it runs at about 4700 rpm) so I *think* it's ok.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,237
1/13/03 9:24:44 AM
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But if it were a bad driver for one of the peripherals,
wouldn't have the same problems with my Athlon 1000 chip?
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,241
1/13/03 9:42:02 AM
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Not particularly...
...Drivers are screwy things. I know that nVidia has put out some GREAT optimized drivers for specific "applications" and whiz-banged *EVERYTHING* else... but put in a faster CPU... BANG *GPF* and such...
Also, Just For The Record™ and posterities sake, what OS, Motherboard, Video Card, Sound card, Network... blah blah... just to make sure we aren't chasing a suprefluios rabbi, here (yes rabbi)...
There are settings like AGP strength, UC vs USWC timing, Pre-Fetch... CAS timings... a bunch of things "Automagically" change when a faster processor is slapped in. we might want to back out *SOME* optimizations... in the name of stability...
Let's not get pushy now *BUB*... ;) (pushy as in pushing the M/B where is dunna wanna go)
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,250
1/13/03 10:48:04 AM
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OK, the specs.
ASUS Kt-133 motherboard (now with latest BIOS)
512 mb PC-133 RAM
NVidia GeForce 4 AGP card w/128mb RAM
Windows XP w/SP 1 & all hotfixes listed on their auto-update site
A dialup modem
An ethernet card (can't remember which brand, it's not currently connected to anything)
An MAUDIO Audiophile 2496 24-bit sound card
An adaptec scsi card (can't remember model, I've had it for at least five years) currently not hooked up to anything
ethernet, modem and adaptec were auto-detected by XP during installation.
I'm reluctant to remove any of them because I don't want XP to decide it's time to re-register the OS.
Audiophile card has latest drivers installed, as does Nvidia. Perhaps I need to back out to older Nvidia drivers?
Latest drivers for motherboard VIA chipset thingy installed.
Erm... that's all I can remember.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,270
1/13/03 12:25:53 PM
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Good... now onto...
...making sure it's the hardware and NOT the OS. Boot Knoppix and *USE* it... Just like you'd do to get the re-boots... If it don't reboot it AIN'T the hardware... if it REBOOTS... then it's the hardware...
Assuming it's the OS (yes I know...) I am wondering when the last time you actually defragmented the drive... I'd schedule it for everynight. Yes, even with NTFS it can get severly fragmented and affect peformance *AND* stability. Don't revert to older drivers... especially with the nVidia stuff... usually it's a good thing... *I* don't believe it's the hardware persay... maybe some BIOS settings are not "optimal" for your setup.
Play around with them, but change one-two at most at a time *UNLESS* you know for sure WHAT it is. Use it, run it for a while, no change... put it back or leave it works either way. Then change some more... use it, if worse chnage it back... better leave it, and continue to tweak. You'd ve surprised how touchy SOME ASUS motherboards can be... Especially the VIA chipset boards... like you have... BUT they also tend to be the BEST boards out the ONCE you tweak em right... (on and ASUS A7V-133 Right NOW) as I have had experience (as has Wade) with Crappy doings on ASUS *UNTIL* you hit that Magic Sweet Spot... then it is typically SMOOTH sailing... for a long while. I STILL am having to tweak an Asus A7V-333 right now... to get it stable... grr... BTW, Auto for Voltages and such on ASUS boards is typically a good thing too... unless Over-Clocking... which you aren't.
I also have GigaByte Motherboards... GA-7VRXP (2), and GA-7VAXP (1)... love em to death too... but they as well require the tweakers touch... but not as much.
Wish it were easier than that... but... you know...
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"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,274
1/13/03 12:46:10 PM
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ok, but... what is KNOPPIX?
Because I'm not familiar with it at all. Its mention here in this forum is the first I've heard of it.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,276
1/13/03 1:05:40 PM
1/13/03 9:12:40 PM
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Well... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Chris READ!!!!!
... it's a FULL Linux Distribution run from CD-ROM... Never touches your Hard Drive at all... unless you want it to.
GNOME, KDE, OpenOffice, the whole nine yards. LOTS of tools, browsers, editors, graphics tools, you naem it probably on it...
[link|http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html|Knoppix Homepage], Klaus Knopper is a Great Guy...
[link|ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/|Best D/L speed] I can find, yeah it's a ways away, but I always get cranking thoughput on it
If, yah don't have a BroadBand connection, or a high-speed to D/L the ISO or a Burner... e-mail me, I'll send you a few copies of it... (and Debian Woody CD's as well) for the simple reason... I want to...
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,328
1/13/03 6:26:01 PM
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Windows XP hardware registration ... ick.
I hadn't thought of that. :-( I also haven't played with XP at all.
It may pay you to make sure you know what every jumper on the board is set to and that it agrees with either the factory defaults or what you've already determined it needs to be. I had just one that was wrong (i.e. not factory default) - it was some sublte voltage setting for a bus - and things were very wobbly. Took me a few weeks to even see it!
The BIOS upgrade will probably improve the PCI device map. If the GeForce drivers took some forcing last time they went in, I'd remove them (NVidia do have a remove option, IIRC), cold reboot and re-install them.
I'd also find the latest VIA motherboard drivers. From VIA. My video card came with a newer set than what came with my motherboard - and the BIOS update needed for everything to work needed even newer drivers.
Wade.
Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs.
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Post #74,368
1/14/03 8:04:16 AM
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More information
put latest via drivers on machine. Uninstalled nVidia drivers and let XP use the default nVidia drivers.
Machine would constantly reboot as soon as it hit the desktop when the CPU was set to 1667 mhz, but at 1250 it actually remained pretty stable for a long time. It still eventually crashes, though.
I reset XPs error messaging to give me a BSOD instead of automatically rebooting, and on my latest crash I get the following message:
DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
which doesn't tell ME anything. It also lists two files:
mrxsmb.sys
rdbss.sys
searching for mrxsmb.sys reveals that I have three of those files, one in an archived directory, one in a service pack directory, and one in my c:\\windows\\system32\\drivers directory. I don't know what driver it's for, though.
searching for rdbss.sys finds exactly the same thing.
So if I can figure out what those files are associated with, I might make some progress here...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,371
1/14/03 8:46:40 AM
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Ouchy....
Looks like I found some other people experiencing the same problem you are:
[link|http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1038043392|Solution with bad news for Chris], it means moving some cards around...
or you can try this to see if it helps:
[link|http://www.gideontech.com/guides/ccooler/ccooler01.shtml|Poorman's Card Cooler] (I use this myself)
I am believing it is coming down to IRQ sharing with the Video card or the Video card heating up or both!
Try the Cooler ontop of the Video Card Area... if you can. The Fans only cost about $3-$7 and I am SURE you can find a slot cover!
Lemme know... Sending the CDs later this week!
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,377
1/14/03 9:24:02 AM
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of cards and coolers...
well, my sound card isn't right next to my agp card, but I may have some other card sitting there. I'll have to look into that. ulp...
as to the poor man's card cooler, that's a great idea, but I've already got two fans in my case, not counting the one mounted on my power supply or the one attached to the cpu heat sink. I mean, how many fans do you squeeze into your case before you just give up and buy a water-cooled case? :)
It's getting to the point where I'm not going to be able to justify building my own PCs anymore... the higher end CPUs require a delicate touch, and I just don't have that. :(
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,379
1/14/03 9:42:33 AM
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Review the placement of each card
The AGP slot and slot 1 aren't the only interfaces that share an IRQ. Check your MB user manual for more. Like that instruction said, disable in the BIOS any interfaces you don't use (serial, parallel, etc.). You can also try to catch the list of IRQ usage on the POST, but you need to read fast for that. You may never be able to avoid sharing all together, but you should look for the most forgiving set-up.
~~~)-Steven----
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
General George S. Patton
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Post #74,421
1/14/03 11:51:44 AM
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On cooling...
Me... I just throw my computer in the tub when playing games... I don't have to worry about reboots or anything of the type...
But, then I get to replace alot of stuff... ;)
Actually, one machine I have (one mentioned earlier here), I have about 20 fans in it, some small one some larger ones and two biggies 200MM spins at ~1000RPM (one pusher, one puller) and they about suck my shirt off (ewww bad picture I know)...
Water cooling is for people who have nothing more than time and money to waste on *AHEAD* of the Bleeding Edge technology. Heck they have Water Cooling for CPU, NorthBridge, VideoCards, Power Supplies, Hard Drives, DVD/CD Burners... fun++ == putting fluoresing ingredients in the water and black-lighting it!!!
Tooo much work for me...
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,424
1/14/03 11:57:37 AM
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Re: On cooling...
There was an IBM frame that used liquid nitrogen to cool the CPU.
BTW adding fans won't help. The issue is to move the hot air away from the CPU, not blow cold air on it (although if you could arrange that, it would be nice). Running with the cover off is the surest way to overheat the CPU, because there is no orderly flow of air over the components. The IBM PS/2 servers would not operate with the cover off.
-drl
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Post #74,438
1/14/03 12:46:51 PM
1/14/03 12:47:19 PM
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I use airflow dynamics...
and "Path" my heat out of machines... so intake never crosses exhaust... usually Front=>Back
But this time, I used a Venturi effect with the Big Fans... and push the hot air into the Stream.
Works real nice, the Drives I am using used to be in IBM Storage Drawers... they ran ~95 degrees F with refrigerated cooling... right now ~105 degrees F. Very little noise too... those big fans are nice for that.
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,454
1/14/03 3:10:46 PM
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"Airflow dynamics?"
Is that anything like "Never put an IDE drive between two SCSI drives so that big fat SCSI cable covers the entire thing, insulating it and causing it to bake thoroughly?
I *still* bear the scars from that.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,459
1/14/03 3:54:06 PM
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Uhhh.... *SHRUG*
Maybe... Oh, I can't believe you brought *THAT* up again...
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #74,461
1/14/03 4:23:31 PM
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I can't help it
it's the only time I've ever reached in to a pc and seriously BURNED MY HAND.
Like I said, it scarred me. I was depressed for almost a year after that.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,462
1/14/03 4:31:59 PM
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Add a component and it does work
Running with the cover off is the surest way to overheat the CPU, because there is no orderly flow of air over the components. My system at home (2 more weeks till I break down and buy a new one) is running with the cover off (dead power supply fan). I have a mini fan blowing into the box that cools it just fine. Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #74,465
1/14/03 4:37:34 PM
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Ugh :)
Any gravity mounted drives? :)
-drl
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Post #74,466
1/14/03 4:45:45 PM
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Huh?
You mean like the one I've got hanging and swinging in the breeze from the IDE and power cables?
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #74,468
1/14/03 4:57:24 PM
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LMAO!
Damn, I can't begin to count the number of times I've had to do that...
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #74,472
1/14/03 5:10:03 PM
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Re: Huh?
Might as well hang some wind chimes from the case inner top. Maybe also one of those nice prismatic glass things to catch the sunlight, like hippie chicks used to like - wake'n bake and nice colors.
-drl
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Post #74,513
1/14/03 7:25:31 PM
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Check the IRQ->slot list in the m/b manual.
As Greg said, it will let you figure out which cards the BIOS is trying to have share interrupts.
I'm tempted to say the NIC is fighting with something - "mrxsmb.sys" looks like MS networking. (And it will be using the one in system32.) Google confirms this including that rdbss is part of the same functionality. Try putting the network card in a different slot. Sometimes they don't like sharing, especially with sound cards.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #74,119
1/12/03 11:48:19 AM
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Chris, I did not see mention of thermal compound.
You did use it, right? I've been told the Silver thermal compound works better and is worth the extra bucks.
Also, on the super duper heat sink/fan. Be sure it is flush with the CPU surface and not touching part of the ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) CPU socket. I managed to fry an Athlon because the edge of heat sink was resting on the "hinge" edge of the ZIF socket which was just slightly higher than the top of the CPU. Turning the heat sink/fan around 180 degrees did the trick (with the new Athlon :( ). There had not been a warning with the heat sink/fan manufacturer or with the Asus mobo manual about the potential problem. Expensive lesson.
Alex
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Post #74,135
1/12/03 3:01:11 PM
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Yeah, using Silver thermal compound
Sorry I forgot to mention that. I have silver everywhere -- on the heat sink, on my jeans, on the cats...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,124
1/12/03 1:07:27 PM
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Timing issue?
This sounds like a front-side bus timing issue.
Most likely the machine shuts off if it thinks that the processor is without cooling. That's the first issue. Rebooting during heavy use might not be related - i.e. FSB timing issue.
Is the mobo rated for such a fast processor? How about the RAM?
-drl
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Post #74,138
1/12/03 3:04:43 PM
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I think so.
Since the cpu is running at about 1250 mhz, and the board specs include that rating (and the bios accurately reports it, etc.) But I'm not sure.
I don't know about the ram. I wasn't aware that ram could be rated for processor speeds. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the question...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,143
1/12/03 4:01:29 PM
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Oh yes
The RAM has to match the front-side bus speed. This will really show up if you pop in a fast processor. There's no point of having a faster processor if the FSB can't keep up with it.
We tend to forget that a computer is a miracle of timing.
-drl
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Post #74,134
1/12/03 2:43:50 PM
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Re: Having the darndest time trying to troubleshoot this pro
When I attached a top-of-the-line heat-sink/fan combo to the 2000xp, it would start to boot and then immediately shut off three seconds later. I don't know why. When I attached the heat-sink/fan combo that came with the processor (which was substantially smaller) it booted just fine. Jim-dandy, even. That would almost have to be head problem, even if if they rest isn't. Still, I noticed (to my horror) that whenever the machine was running a game with particularly intensive cpu work (high graphics content like Morrowind, or lots of background calculations like civilizations III) or whenever I was doing a lot of heavy multitasking, the computer would often REBOOT, damn it all. That could be a temperature problem or power problem or mix of both. One way to check is to leave the case of the computer and setup a fan blowing onto the CPU heatsink/fan. If that cools it enough to keep it stable, then your probably looking at a cooling problem. I thought at first it was CPU heat, but I don't think it is, because I've switched to the old cpu and it actually seems to put out MORE heat, according to my hardware monitor, than the new one. Which is odd, but there you are That sounds bogus. The Athlon 2000+ should be putting out way more heat then an Athlon 1000. Could a computer actually draw in MORE power when it's doing more work? Yep. A CPU uses power at every operation. The more it's doing, the more it uses. Jay
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Post #74,136
1/12/03 3:02:55 PM
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Re: Having the darndest time trying to troubleshoot this pro
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, but according to my hardware monitor my Athlon 2000 was runing at about 48 degrees (celsius) and my Athlon 1000 is currently running at 51.
Both are with the case off.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,139
1/12/03 3:41:11 PM
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They're different generation, so different T not unusual.
AMD's web page could give you details on the power consumption, etc. The 2000 probably has a smaller die size so has less parasitic power consumption than the 1000, so even though it's running twice as fast it might actually consume similar or even less power and have similar or lower temperatures.
I doubt that your reboot issues are due to heat myself. I'd guess a BIOS update (as Greg suggested) or a BIOS memory timing issue or something like that. Can you try KNOPPIX with it and see if it's not an OS or driver issue?
Maybe grab a copy of [link|http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php|SpeedFan] and play with the memory timing, etc. Freeware (with donations requested).
Good luck.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #74,140
1/12/03 3:49:17 PM
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Odd
My Athlon 1800+ runs a temperature of 80-85 degrees celsius even when it's not doing anything. And that is with the case off also.
Jay
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Post #74,144
1/12/03 4:06:34 PM
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That's *very* hot.
Are you sure that's correct? My Athlon 1000 (Thunderbird) at work runs at 34-35 C using a Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu heatsink/fan (with some cheap white grease). My IBM 60 GB hard drive is much hotter (54 C IIRC).
[link|http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1162&page=2|This] page measured 53-54 C for AthlonXPs with 2000+ and 2100+ ratings.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #74,147
1/12/03 4:18:28 PM
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I'm very sure.
The mainbord is 29.0 deg. C, currently CPU1 is 49.0 deg. C, but just a minute ago it was 51. This is for the Athlon 1000.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,148
1/12/03 4:19:45 PM
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Oh, nevermind. You were talking to Jay. :D
/me is egotist. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #74,149
1/12/03 4:20:44 PM
1/12/03 4:21:40 PM
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Nothing to see. Move along. :-)
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Post #74,160
1/12/03 5:50:23 PM
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That is what it says
I'm using a GA-7VAXP, which comes with a utility that reads the temperature off the motherboard sensor. The CPU is running 80 right now and the motherboard reads 45.
The only thing I've got tweaked on the system is the memory settings. To get it to run stably in the fastest memory mode I had to jack up the memory power one step. This increases the voltage for the memory only from 2.5 to 2.6. I've tested it both ways and this doesn't effect the CPU at all.
Heck, even on my old 1.1 Ghz Athlon I've never seen the temp go below 70 once the system is warmed up.
Jay
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Post #74,152
1/12/03 4:31:32 PM
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AHHH... YIKES...
My Athlon 1800+ runs a temperature of 80-85 degrees celsius even when it's not doing anything. And that is with the case off also. Wow, I have my thermal alarm set at 60 degree C. Maybe when playing UT2003 I get to 55 degree C. Or when running a couple of VMs on the same box... WHILE Overclocking it...as well... You are sucking the life outta that THING!!! Me, I have an XP1900+ running at ~1704 MHz all day everyday... Tweaked the Voltage up 2.5% on the CPU, RAM, PCI and AGP... all is well an good...
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