I was thinking about this recently.

Post #437,818 by hnick 12/18/20 7:03:30 AM 12/18/20 7:03:30 AM Reply	I was thinking about this recently. It's been a while for me too. I honestly don't remember exactly when I started here. It could have been at my early days at Cisco, which would make it in the early 2000's. It could also have been at the end days of Bell&Howell which would make it late 90's. It's been a very interesting time. I've been mostly lurking for the past couple years. It's good to see so many of us still here. I've been losing too many people relatively recently. I hope you all have wonderful holidays. "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
Post #437,831 by Ashton 12/18/20 7:03:38 PM 12/18/20 7:03:38 PM Reply	On 'Losing.. ...' Tell me about it.. couldn't/wouldn't burden anyone with a partial listicle of just How-un-immortal are, any of our acquaintance. Some, it seems-- exited via incomprehensible even silly 'causes'. All those conversations we didn't have--insufficient gravitas? I recall--early-on in the accretion-disk of IWE--a young Techie suicided, clearly by forgetting that his {whatever agonizing quandary} ... was a permanent 'solution' to a temporary Sad. (Maybe too, there was another, such?) I miss Greg F; we had a couple lengthy fone confabs, revealing quite more than his persona in these parts. His quip later on, when iMac came, was the only (of similar advice) I heeded--for a time. "It just Works!" He admonished moi to, "don't even bother"/try-to decode the Stuff in OS X found on Console (!) So, for longest time, I only peeked--just to inculcate what 'Normal'-chatter looked like, so as to recognize some Clusterfuck 'happening'--in techno-Shreek-speech(never mind.. seppuku via kernel-panic; it leaves no clues, I guess). RIP, Greg--if there's an Inn ..Out there. Lately however--I Do pay Attention, have decoded many a clue of unHappiness re current infections of dastardly intent.
Post #437,837 by Andrew Grygus 12/18/20 9:21:59 PM 12/18/20 9:21:59 PM Reply	And, of course . . . . . there were a few women who posted on the site. They were driven off by continuous attacks and harsh criticism by some of the male posters. Some guys just can't get a grip on the fact that women think a bit differently, but that doesn't mean their thinking is invalid, just different.
Post #437,897 by InThane 12/22/20 7:34:45 AM 12/22/20 7:34:45 AM Reply	Oppressors see equality as oppression, and react accordingly. I was raised by a radical (for then) feminist - feminism being the radical notion that women should be treated equally. Didn't all take; I got a lot of counterprogramming from my friends, books, and media that I had to work out; I'm still working a lot of that shit out of my head. Watching people I respected in the dance community get #metooed (and quite justifiably I should add) reminded me of the difference in experience that men and women have as related by a friend: We (straight) men are attracted to our prey; (straight) women are attracted to their predators. use std::option::sig
Post #437,905 by Ashton 12/22/20 3:18:47 PM 12/22/20 3:18:47 PM Reply	Heh.. [Love] ..again! ..a 'stab' then There's at least a soupçon of er, Gravitas in there ... re 'Feminism'--especially 'du jour' Invested(?) ~ seven years with Feminist-cohort--we were a Mutual-Admiration Society. Towards the end.. the idea that this manifest-tolerance 'should be reciprocal--no?' failed. I noted a skit played out on moi: which clearly derived from [my careful deduction] ... newer consciousness-raising tactics in her Womens' Group™. Thus had moi become: just another Male Chauvinist Pig™ . [Who Knew?] Etc. As the Bard so wittily informed us--of the Stakes, in [Sonnet 116] Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments. Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove. O no! it is an ever-fixed mark That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wand'ring bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come; Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me prov'd, I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd. (To my knowledge--only one Famous Writer + Cohort: Robert and Elizabeth Barrett-Browning --manages the above to a fare-thee-well: cf. her famed Sonnet ("from the Portuguesa"--his nic for her) How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight For the ends of being and ideal grace. I love thee to the level of every day’s Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light. [. . .] tl;dr Nobody ever {wisely} imagined all the nooks & crannies circulating in human jelloware, as (in the words of a Sage) "all those little [I's] running around loose, inside" ... intermixed with the narsty imaginings of the reptile-emotional brain ... begin Acting Out (Outré?). No regrets here, mutual-admiration-societies: simply--have their own Best-Used-By Dates, too, I wot. But they're worth the Try, anyway. Right?
Post #437,912 by Andrew Grygus 12/22/20 8:31:36 PM 12/22/20 8:31:36 PM Reply	Women are attracted to their predators? Yes, definitely. What pisses me off about the #MeToo movement is that the guys they are charging with abuse are exactly the guys who could get dates with them a few years back. Women do not date men who respect women, they ignore them and look for a jerk. Of course they will deny this until their dying day, but it's easy to see. It was a hard lesson for me to learn, that in matters of relationship, never listen to what a woman says - watch what she does. There's little resemblance.
Post #437,917 by pwhysall 12/23/20 3:54:22 AM 12/23/20 3:54:22 AM Reply	"never listen to what a woman says - watch what she does. There's little resemblance." That's some prime misogynistic bullshit, right there.
Post #437,923 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 1:15:36 PM 12/23/20 1:15:36 PM Reply	I have, all my adult life, respected women . . . . . supported women's causes, and voted for women. I've helped women through crisis with food, shelter, emotional support, and cash. My reward is that I'm invisible to single women. Married women are another matter, but they're married, and I have no interest in meddling with that. Women prefer jerks. There's even a song by a guy who's finally decided to become a prime grade jerk so women will fall all over him. I think it's not their fault - I think it's evolutionary. Comes from hormones developed up through the Neolithic - for survival of the children. Hang with the biggest, baddest, most powerful guy in the tribe, so your children will survive when he kills those of his competitors.
Post #437,924 by drook 12/23/20 1:25:42 PM 12/23/20 1:25:42 PM Reply	Maybe a certain kind of woman likes a certain kind of man And maybe you happen to like that kind of woman. -- Drew
Post #437,933 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 9:19:53 PM 12/23/20 9:19:53 PM Reply	My taste in women is very broad . . . . . OK, I could have made a (very obsolete) funny out of that). I am attracted to women of most ethnicities, but have some limits on culture and religion. Since my neighborhood has become a Korea Town, I've even come to see Asian women quite favorably. Social status is not a problem. Weight is a problem only if it's Super Model emaciated or rather obese. Fashion magazine "beautiful", I admit, is a turn-off for me, I prefer women to be more natural. Well, being in love with her dog is a problem - I'm not into being second in a women's heart. Women are very expensive, emotionally, physically, and economically, so I feel I should be at the top of the heap if I'm making that kind of investment. That, of course, eliminates a very large segment of the pool of single women in my age group. Much worse, of course, is K, who is totally in love with Possums, and has them wandering around in her home. Most of the women who have been with me were recovering from bad decisions, but didn't stay long - anxious to get out there and make more bad decisions. One, who had been a friend from before her first marriage, came to stay with me when she finally left her second husband. She stayed a few months, but told me she was leaving. She said, "You aren't jealous, and you don't try to control me, so I know you don't love me". What can I say?
Post #437,920 by malraux 12/23/20 12:23:13 PM 12/23/20 12:23:13 PM Reply	Huh, doesn't sound like my wife at all. You might be making a gross generalization out of your specifics, just saying. Of course, Peter said it too. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #437,922 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 12:42:57 PM 12/23/20 12:42:57 PM Reply	There are always exceptions . . . fortunately!
Post #437,926 by Ashton 12/23/20 5:28:07 PM 12/23/20 5:31:39 PM Reply	aka.. Vive! la Differènce (as far as a One can er, manage :-) Also: All generalizations are false--including this one. (I may be #7734 to say that, First?) Edited by Ashton Dec. 23, 2020, 05:31:39 PM EST Expand All History
Post #437,906 by Ashton 12/22/20 3:42:28 PM 12/22/20 3:42:28 PM Reply	I recall attempting to intercede in that pedestrian-mindset.. But it seemed to go --> ^Zooom^--predictably?--within the hard-core M.C. er--pigs du jour. Techno-folk oft seem to share disproportionately, bad social edjumacation--in my lengthy experience--kinda like confusing simple-assed Boolean 'deductions' with ... sweet-Reason? The Year 2020 makes clearest ever, how we all mis-underestimated the %National-pig-headedness: of four out of ten of our menagerie-mates :-/ (But the Pols are much, much Worse--natch).

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