an anniversary + 1

Post #437,797 by rcareaga 12/17/20 1:43:01 PM 12/17/20 1:43:01 PM Reply	an anniversary + 1 It was indeed full eighteen years ago yesterday that I first wandered into these precincts, impulsively following a trail of breadcrumbs—well, actually more like flecks of shite—left by you-know-who. Why, I was but a fresh-faced lad back then! Anyway…it’s been fun, and the joint retains a generally higher level of discourse than we find on newer “social media.” I wish we could retrieve a few of our defectors (not all, of course) from that era. cordially,
Post #437,801 by Another Scott 12/17/20 2:51:47 PM 12/17/20 2:51:47 PM Reply	Excellent. Looks like 7111 days for me. Time really does fly. IWE, ezBoard, ZIWeThey, etc. Thanks for sticking around, everyone, and thanks for keeping the lights on Admin! Cheers, Scott.
Post #437,816 by pwhysall 12/18/20 2:57:18 AM 12/18/20 2:57:18 AM Reply	I've got 10 days on you.
Post #437,807 by malraux 12/17/20 9:17:55 PM 12/17/20 9:17:55 PM Reply	My 20th is coming up on June Wow this is some creaky old software. :-D I've been very tempted to rewrite it once again using modern technology. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #437,808 by Ashton 12/17/20 10:17:51 PM 12/17/20 10:17:51 PM Reply	Still.. You be poster-boy for: "If it ain't broke, then ... " I can't recall even a smidgeon of, needing to hit Peter's kind Fail-Safe hatch ;-þ (What was that PW again? OPE ..POE?) nah ... ..different movie
Post #437,810 by Ashton 12/17/20 10:55:26 PM 12/17/20 10:55:26 PM Reply	PS: anyone recall the InfoWorld issue date? ~~ the time when we coalesced within their cheezy-forum to savage (She who must not be named, either) Gravelly Gertie and the Great NT --> is the Futchah! scam. High point? ..when the Boss was pondering throwing CRC under-the-bus for moral turpitude or something. Lucky Us! for being like-minded surly iconoclasts (...just as The Cheney Shogunate was alreading throwing All under that very-big bus) ... still there, idling..
Post #437,811 by static 12/17/20 11:32:32 PM 12/17/20 11:32:32 PM Reply	I can take a guess. Mid to late 90s. I remember being on the forum at a job that I left in 1999 or 2000. Wade.
Post #437,820 by crazy 12/18/20 1:46:18 PM 12/18/20 1:46:18 PM Reply	I'm thinking mid-nineties or so when I showed up https://www.quora.com/Why-did-IBMs-OS-2-project-lose-to-Microsoft-given-that-IBM-had-much-more-resources-than-Microsoft-at-that-time Wonderful answer to this question was posted in this forum that I found while researching the timeline Based on that I've been "here" 25 to 27 years.
Post #437,822 by drook 12/18/20 2:34:23 PM 12/18/20 2:34:23 PM Reply	I don't know I've read the Sandy what's-her-name OS/2 story so many times I can't say for sure if I was there to see it when it was happening. -- Drew
Post #437,824 by crazy 12/18/20 3:21:15 PM 12/18/20 3:21:15 PM Reply	Oh I was there long before that. I was subscribed to infoworld and read it weekly long before then. I was on their forums very early. Before that it was usenet groups and bulletin boards.
Post #437,828 by Ashton 12/18/20 5:33:01 PM 12/18/20 5:33:01 PM Reply	~Ditto here.. re IW subscription (i made-up my 'IT-resumẻ'- chops, etc.) Was in it because it seemed to me--pre-Sandy or maybe not--that IW did indeed hunt about for the latest, potentially greatest y.a.n.-Boolean-construct from which to spawn, perhaps-next: a truly State-of-Art Useable small 'computer-thing', maybe á lá HAL-9001 [??] Still Waiting on that: Voice! via decoded Vulcan mind-meld 'twixt the Machine et moi. Is that too much to ask? Having punched cards for the CDC-6600 (?) re assembly-language for the accelerator's First-ever magnetic-field controller, our new $20K jewel, PDP-8: I had passed Test-1 when the local Programmer-in-Chief handed moi that oily yellow bcd-encoded paper tape, with: ~"OK, create a [Octal, yet!] tape to print out this data on the ASR-tty". My first proof that: computers are indeed utterly-mindless, such that every character demands an agonizingly verbose set --just. to. print. a fucking--Character (!) But I digress, just like such silly-Code forever does.
Post #437,833 by boxley 12/18/20 7:33:48 PM 12/18/20 7:33:48 PM Reply	must have subscription back in the day forums were pricey for me to get to, had to dial long distance from alaska to an 800 number with a modem to get on compuserv "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #437,836 by crazy 12/18/20 8:59:42 PM 12/18/20 8:59:42 PM Reply	Hah. I was on the other side My company had a pay to query database on CompuServe. I uploaded that database monthly to CompuServe. because I was part of the group that had access that meant I had free access to every other database on CompuServe. Note: I had to ask an administrator to grant me access but no one ever said no. The medical and lawyer databases were of special interest. when I wanted something from my doctor I would print out a few hundred pages of reports from CompuServe's database specific to that which he would then read over the weekend and of course agree with me.
Post #437,830 by Ashton 12/18/20 6:20:12 PM 12/18/20 6:20:12 PM Reply	Thanks!..it's encyclopedic, authentic and best History I've encountered; just Think: Had 'we' and everybody .. just partial knowledge of these Billy-machinations (even given early flubs in OS/2 builds), Windoze would not have been able to retard/kill, throughout: all these decades of shit-dominance. World-wide! So near / yet so far.. the advancement which came so close to Happening (Kinda like some.. any! of The Menace's $$-victims who went to pulverize Him ..and failed to perform?) {{sob}}
Post #437,829 by Ashton 12/18/20 5:58:37 PM 12/18/20 5:58:37 PM Reply	Yeah, believe mid-90s when my tether was via local Library connection on dial-up, quite before Pictures happened! with ..w.t.f. was that, 'Mosaic? maybe, where the B&W-text-Only ..vanished forever on one's Color monitor, mine snagged for a song at a local swap-meet: a re-branded 'Power Computing' hi-res $600 weighty monolith (when that was Real-money) gotten for something under $200--in cash at such places. (I do so recall firing up the first iMac (early-09 model 20")--on dial-up! w a t c h i n g the bytes creep in, via a cute tiny Apple-modem, lent via neighbor. Thence after a few days, ugly-Corp. Comcast (but Fast!). tl;dr then: *Twenty-five Years !!!* ... n Centuries in blogosphere parsecs.
Post #437,932 by Another Scott 12/23/20 8:46:45 PM 12/23/20 8:46:45 PM Reply	Let's see... https://www.sbt.net.au/l2w/32bits/1998/Sep/Msgs/l2w00144.html In the March 31, 1997 issue of InfoWorld, a controlled-circulation weekly which calls itself "The Voice of Client/Server in the Enterprise," editor-in-chief Sandy Reed announced that OS/2 had won its annual "Readers' Choice" poll which was conducted in January and February of this year. Reed reported that OS/2 had garnered an overwhelming majority of votes cast in the Client, Server and Product of the Year categories, eclipsing its nearest competitors by a margin of more than 6-to-1, and its victory in the Product of the Year category was the fourth in succession. Editor-in-chief Reed expressed surprise at the results of its poll, and alleged -- without offering any corroborating evidence -- that OS/2's victories in this and preceding years were due to "ballot stuffing" by "OS/2 zealots." This allegation has been greeted with some skepticism, however, which has intensified in the days since her announcement as she has steadfastly and explicitly rejected numerous demands that she provide evidence to support her allegations. [...] The issue in question. Dave did an amazing job in trying to fight for OS/2 online, and his summary (in other parts of this thread) are interesting, but he doesn't mention (at least I didn't see it) MS bundling DOS/Windows (the "per processor license agreements"). That probably had the biggest impact on OS/2's outcome. Why pay for OS/2 when Winders was "free"?? And OS/2 2.0 was finicky very early on - I remember spending a few hours trying to install it from about 25 5.25" floppies and the install failing about 2/3 of the way through... They rushed it out the door too early, to try to beat Win 3.1's release. People buying PCs with Winders preinstalled didn't get that joyful experience. HTH!! Cheers, Scott.
Post #438,532 by CRConrad 3/1/21 5:24:56 PM 3/1/21 5:24:56 PM Reply	1997 to ~ early 2000 at the latest. I read that at work, and I started that job in late '96. Left it in late 2000 (almost 2001), but by then I'd been discussing with you lot for a while. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #437,809 by Ashton 12/17/20 10:40:16 PM 12/17/20 10:40:16 PM Reply	Ah yesss.. the bread crumbs.. Were I not already a minion of our subversive L33t-group of oer'weening meanies re that poor sot, can see your mindset (?) ..Hmmm anyone who has This poor sot's M.O. ... can't be All-bad. eh? Makes you a near-Flounder (sp?) even.
Post #437,818 by hnick 12/18/20 7:03:30 AM 12/18/20 7:03:30 AM Reply	I was thinking about this recently. It's been a while for me too. I honestly don't remember exactly when I started here. It could have been at my early days at Cisco, which would make it in the early 2000's. It could also have been at the end days of Bell&Howell which would make it late 90's. It's been a very interesting time. I've been mostly lurking for the past couple years. It's good to see so many of us still here. I've been losing too many people relatively recently. I hope you all have wonderful holidays. "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
Post #437,831 by Ashton 12/18/20 7:03:38 PM 12/18/20 7:03:38 PM Reply	On 'Losing.. ...' Tell me about it.. couldn't/wouldn't burden anyone with a partial listicle of just How-un-immortal are, any of our acquaintance. Some, it seems-- exited via incomprehensible even silly 'causes'. All those conversations we didn't have--insufficient gravitas? I recall--early-on in the accretion-disk of IWE--a young Techie suicided, clearly by forgetting that his {whatever agonizing quandary} ... was a permanent 'solution' to a temporary Sad. (Maybe too, there was another, such?) I miss Greg F; we had a couple lengthy fone confabs, revealing quite more than his persona in these parts. His quip later on, when iMac came, was the only (of similar advice) I heeded--for a time. "It just Works!" He admonished moi to, "don't even bother"/try-to decode the Stuff in OS X found on Console (!) So, for longest time, I only peeked--just to inculcate what 'Normal'-chatter looked like, so as to recognize some Clusterfuck 'happening'--in techno-Shreek-speech(never mind.. seppuku via kernel-panic; it leaves no clues, I guess). RIP, Greg--if there's an Inn ..Out there. Lately however--I Do pay Attention, have decoded many a clue of unHappiness re current infections of dastardly intent.
Post #437,837 by Andrew Grygus 12/18/20 9:21:59 PM 12/18/20 9:21:59 PM Reply	And, of course . . . . . there were a few women who posted on the site. They were driven off by continuous attacks and harsh criticism by some of the male posters. Some guys just can't get a grip on the fact that women think a bit differently, but that doesn't mean their thinking is invalid, just different.
Post #437,897 by InThane 12/22/20 7:34:45 AM 12/22/20 7:34:45 AM Reply	Oppressors see equality as oppression, and react accordingly. I was raised by a radical (for then) feminist - feminism being the radical notion that women should be treated equally. Didn't all take; I got a lot of counterprogramming from my friends, books, and media that I had to work out; I'm still working a lot of that shit out of my head. Watching people I respected in the dance community get #metooed (and quite justifiably I should add) reminded me of the difference in experience that men and women have as related by a friend: We (straight) men are attracted to our prey; (straight) women are attracted to their predators. use std::option::sig
Post #437,905 by Ashton 12/22/20 3:18:47 PM 12/22/20 3:18:47 PM Reply	Heh.. [Love] ..again! ..a 'stab' then There's at least a soupçon of er, Gravitas in there ... re 'Feminism'--especially 'du jour' Invested(?) ~ seven years with Feminist-cohort--we were a Mutual-Admiration Society. Towards the end.. the idea that this manifest-tolerance 'should be reciprocal--no?' failed. I noted a skit played out on moi: which clearly derived from [my careful deduction] ... newer consciousness-raising tactics in her Womens' Group™. Thus had moi become: just another Male Chauvinist Pig™ . [Who Knew?] Etc. As the Bard so wittily informed us--of the Stakes, in [Sonnet 116] Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments. Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove. O no! it is an ever-fixed mark That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wand'ring bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come; Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me prov'd, I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd. (To my knowledge--only one Famous Writer + Cohort: Robert and Elizabeth Barrett-Browning --manages the above to a fare-thee-well: cf. her famed Sonnet ("from the Portuguesa"--his nic for her) How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight For the ends of being and ideal grace. I love thee to the level of every day’s Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light. [. . .] tl;dr Nobody ever {wisely} imagined all the nooks & crannies circulating in human jelloware, as (in the words of a Sage) "all those little [I's] running around loose, inside" ... intermixed with the narsty imaginings of the reptile-emotional brain ... begin Acting Out (Outré?). No regrets here, mutual-admiration-societies: simply--have their own Best-Used-By Dates, too, I wot. But they're worth the Try, anyway. Right?
Post #437,912 by Andrew Grygus 12/22/20 8:31:36 PM 12/22/20 8:31:36 PM Reply	Women are attracted to their predators? Yes, definitely. What pisses me off about the #MeToo movement is that the guys they are charging with abuse are exactly the guys who could get dates with them a few years back. Women do not date men who respect women, they ignore them and look for a jerk. Of course they will deny this until their dying day, but it's easy to see. It was a hard lesson for me to learn, that in matters of relationship, never listen to what a woman says - watch what she does. There's little resemblance.
Post #437,917 by pwhysall 12/23/20 3:54:22 AM 12/23/20 3:54:22 AM Reply	"never listen to what a woman says - watch what she does. There's little resemblance." That's some prime misogynistic bullshit, right there.
Post #437,923 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 1:15:36 PM 12/23/20 1:15:36 PM Reply	I have, all my adult life, respected women . . . . . supported women's causes, and voted for women. I've helped women through crisis with food, shelter, emotional support, and cash. My reward is that I'm invisible to single women. Married women are another matter, but they're married, and I have no interest in meddling with that. Women prefer jerks. There's even a song by a guy who's finally decided to become a prime grade jerk so women will fall all over him. I think it's not their fault - I think it's evolutionary. Comes from hormones developed up through the Neolithic - for survival of the children. Hang with the biggest, baddest, most powerful guy in the tribe, so your children will survive when he kills those of his competitors.
Post #437,924 by drook 12/23/20 1:25:42 PM 12/23/20 1:25:42 PM Reply	Maybe a certain kind of woman likes a certain kind of man And maybe you happen to like that kind of woman. -- Drew
Post #437,933 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 9:19:53 PM 12/23/20 9:19:53 PM Reply	My taste in women is very broad . . . . . OK, I could have made a (very obsolete) funny out of that). I am attracted to women of most ethnicities, but have some limits on culture and religion. Since my neighborhood has become a Korea Town, I've even come to see Asian women quite favorably. Social status is not a problem. Weight is a problem only if it's Super Model emaciated or rather obese. Fashion magazine "beautiful", I admit, is a turn-off for me, I prefer women to be more natural. Well, being in love with her dog is a problem - I'm not into being second in a women's heart. Women are very expensive, emotionally, physically, and economically, so I feel I should be at the top of the heap if I'm making that kind of investment. That, of course, eliminates a very large segment of the pool of single women in my age group. Much worse, of course, is K, who is totally in love with Possums, and has them wandering around in her home. Most of the women who have been with me were recovering from bad decisions, but didn't stay long - anxious to get out there and make more bad decisions. One, who had been a friend from before her first marriage, came to stay with me when she finally left her second husband. She stayed a few months, but told me she was leaving. She said, "You aren't jealous, and you don't try to control me, so I know you don't love me". What can I say?
Post #437,920 by malraux 12/23/20 12:23:13 PM 12/23/20 12:23:13 PM Reply	Huh, doesn't sound like my wife at all. You might be making a gross generalization out of your specifics, just saying. Of course, Peter said it too. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #437,922 by Andrew Grygus 12/23/20 12:42:57 PM 12/23/20 12:42:57 PM Reply	There are always exceptions . . . fortunately!
Post #437,926 by Ashton 12/23/20 5:28:07 PM 12/23/20 5:31:39 PM Reply	aka.. Vive! la Differènce (as far as a One can er, manage :-) Also: All generalizations are false--including this one. (I may be #7734 to say that, First?) Edited by Ashton Dec. 23, 2020, 05:31:39 PM EST Expand All History
Post #437,906 by Ashton 12/22/20 3:42:28 PM 12/22/20 3:42:28 PM Reply	I recall attempting to intercede in that pedestrian-mindset.. But it seemed to go --> ^Zooom^--predictably?--within the hard-core M.C. er--pigs du jour. Techno-folk oft seem to share disproportionately, bad social edjumacation--in my lengthy experience--kinda like confusing simple-assed Boolean 'deductions' with ... sweet-Reason? The Year 2020 makes clearest ever, how we all mis-underestimated the %National-pig-headedness: of four out of ten of our menagerie-mates :-/ (But the Pols are much, much Worse--natch).
Post #437,838 by Andrew Grygus 12/18/20 9:24:03 PM 12/18/20 9:24:03 PM Reply	I haven't a clue . . . . . since I don't remember how many years I was on Infoworld's site before the arrival of she who shall not be named.
Post #437,846 by crazy 12/18/20 10:48:27 PM 12/18/20 10:48:27 PM Reply	As I was trying to figure out when I started The only thing I could be sure of was you were there before me.
Post #437,842 by a6l6e6x 12/18/20 9:41:34 PM 12/18/20 9:41:34 PM Reply	I followed the dialogs back when it was still on InfoWorld. But, my first post was either late 1999 or early 2000. I commented about one of the group members that took his life. I was still working in those days. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #437,896 by InThane 12/22/20 7:26:17 AM 12/22/20 7:26:17 AM Reply	Been thinking about this... ...and I can't put a finger on when I started posting, other than it was back in the Infoworld days. The small computer chain I worked for (Lucky Computers, long since gone) had the glossy delivered on a regular basis; I'm guessing I jumped in via osmosis. 'twas young and dumb (and unaware of some particular quirks of my brain structure that led to some rather uninformed choices being made) and have grown quite a bit since then; unfortunately, it's mostly around the middle. use std::option::sig
Post #437,898 by drook 12/22/20 8:12:31 AM 12/22/20 8:12:31 AM Reply	I came in via Bob Lewis' column I had followed up with him on a few of his columns, then one day got curious about all the other categories I saw. -- Drew
Post #438,533 by CRConrad 3/1/21 5:25:42 PM 3/1/21 5:25:42 PM Reply	Here's one. https://wiki.c2.com/?TopMind No prizes for guessing who. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #438,534 by CRConrad 3/1/21 5:35:18 PM 3/1/21 5:35:18 PM Reply	On an appropriate page: https://wiki.c2.com/?ProfessionalVictim I hope the snide comment in italics isn't mine (if nothing else, because of the spello), but it could be. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #438,537 by crazy 3/1/21 8:44:01 PM 3/1/21 8:44:01 PM Reply	Endless spinning thing I mean a page draws, or at least the bare beginnings of one and then I get a spinny in the page as opposed to a spinny as part of my application. That page doesn't like me.
Post #438,543 by Another Scott 3/1/21 10:42:16 PM 3/1/21 10:42:16 PM Reply	Works here. Chrome on Winders.
Post #438,546 by crazy 3/1/21 11:04:29 PM 3/1/21 11:04:29 PM Reply	Works now, temp failure
Post #438,538 by boxley 3/1/21 8:48:47 PM 3/1/21 8:48:47 PM Reply	something off trouble Encountered https://proxy.c2.com/wiki/remodel/pages/TopMind can't fetch document Bad Gateway See github "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman

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