Re: I was quoting the envoy who claimed it was so

Post #381,236 by Another Scott 9/24/13 8:45:27 AM Reply	Re: I was quoting the envoy who claimed it was so http://health.usnews...-hospital-layoffs Ron Stiver, senior vice president of engagement and public affairs for Indiana University Health, which plans to cut 800 employees, says the assertion that health care reform is the reason behind hospital cuts is "overly simplified." IU Health is making cuts partially because of the health law, he says, but also because the state has not expanded Medicaid, the hospital system has fewer inpatient volumes, and payment rates for its services have been declining. Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn., plans to cut 1,000 positions, citing an aging population, lower reimbursement rates, a reduction in National Institutes of Health grant funding and a lack of Medicaid expansion in Tennessee. In 2012 the Supreme Court ruled that state legislatures could opt out of increasing the number of people who are eligible for Medicaid, and North Carolina is one of 22 states that has done so, a decision that resulted in Vidant Pungo Hospital in Belhaven, N.C., closing down, according to hospital officials. Democratic Congressman Charles Rangel from New York, the main sponsor of the health reform bill, says organizations have several other tools they could use to reduce costs, and that many businesses are blaming health reform for actions for which they don't want to take responsibility. "U.S. health costs have been the highest in the world, yet our quality measures were middling at best," he says. "While there is no doubt that [health reform] has helped slow health care cost growth, which is beneficial to both national and household budgets, there is nothing in the law that tells hospitals to reduce staff. The fact is that patients are paying less, not more, as a result of the [health law]." The Office of the Actuary for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services predicted that decreases like these would occur, stating in a 2010 memo that by 2019 it expected hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and home health agencies would undergo a 15 percent reduction. I blame Obummer. :-/ Cheers, Scott.
Post #381,239 by boxley 9/24/13 9:07:37 AM Reply	am I allowed to quote Rangel? He is a dem and how about The Office of the Actuary for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services? "U.S. health costs have been the highest in the world, yet our quality measures were middling at best," he says. "While there is no doubt that [health reform] has helped slow health care cost growth, which is beneficial to both national and household budgets, there is nothing in the law that tells hospitals to reduce staff. The fact is that patients are paying less, not more, as a result of the [health law]." The Office of the Actuary for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services predicted that decreases like these would occur, stating in a 2010 memo that by 2019 it expected hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and home health agencies would undergo a 15 percent reduction. the law sez they will get 15% less money, So they use layoffs to recoup some of those losses. Somehow what these people are saying isn't true. Unpossible! Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,242 by drook 9/24/13 10:00:04 AM Reply	Picking that apart "... payment rates have been declining ..." The "book" value for an ER visit - which no one except the uninsured is expected to actually pay - is increased by 25%. Insurance companies continue paying what they always have. The uninsured declare bankruptcy more often. Hospitals report "payment rates have been declining". "... fewer inpatient volumes ..." More procedures are being done outpatient because insurance companies won't pay for overnight stays on procedures that used to require them, because the book price of overnight stays has gone up so much. "... state has not expanded Medicaid ..." Republicans want Obama to fail, so they want healthcare reform to fail, so they take the least attractive option available under the law. Yup, all Obamacare's fault. -- Drew
Post #381,243 by boxley 9/24/13 10:10:49 AM Reply	not for profit hospitals are republicans? good to know Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,245 by drook 9/24/13 10:31:17 AM Reply	I only mentioned Republicans when addressing Medicaid The state chose not to expand it. Not sure how not for profit hospitals made that decision for them. And by the way, you do know "not for profit" is a sad joke when it comes to hospitals, right? -- Drew
Post #381,249 by boxley 9/24/13 12:28:08 PM Reply	not for profit means you dont have to pay taxes, Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,250 by drook 9/24/13 12:34:07 PM Reply	Which has what to do with Republicans or Medicaid? -- Drew
Post #381,251 by mmoffitt 9/24/13 12:46:56 PM Reply	Republicans, of course. ;0)
Post #381,255 by folkert 9/24/13 1:17:29 PM Reply	BENGHAZI! ACORN! IRS! SOLYNDRA! etal... -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #381,257 by boxley 9/24/13 1:21:56 PM Reply	SOLYNDRA got 1 billion for a small donation to Barry not bad Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,258 by Another Scott 9/24/13 1:38:20 PM Reply	You know that was Bush's program, right? http://www.nydailyne...article-1.1154467 I even picked a source you may like, nice fellow that I am. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #381,260 by drook 9/24/13 1:54:58 PM Reply	Right in the first line ... $535 million federal loan ... That's not a billion. So even if you're going to try to hang ... something ... on Obama, your outrage is off by more than 85%. -- Drew
Post #381,262 by boxley 9/24/13 2:03:29 PM Reply	not the loan, the tax credits http://washingtonexa...y/article/2536031 Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,264 by folkert 9/24/13 2:19:49 PM Reply	Oh... to offset the... More than $1B investors put in. I get it. Replublicans always get their money. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #381,272 by boxley 9/24/13 4:20:57 PM Reply	crony capitalism works both sides of the aisle Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #381,263 by boxley 9/24/13 2:04:30 PM Reply	the loan mods came after he left office Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep

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