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Post #287,985 by bepatient 6/27/07 11:41:43 PM Reply	Ask it another way had the boy been injured, would the parents of that boy sued the school for failure to protect him while at a school sanctioned event? If there was a reasonable expectation that this event was held by the school on behalf of the students then it is not a speech issue because the administration has the right and indeed the duty to control the environment and was within their rights to suspend him for policy violations. The rest was a nice rant but completely irrelevant. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #287,987 by Ashton 6/28/07 5:23:27 AM Reply	Begs the question of his Majority Were he a 50 yo perpetual grad student in Biz-Ad.. (perhaps on a field trip to apply the Michelson-Morley technique (to see if money really has any velocity, after-all)) and choked on a pretzel - would his academic retinue be deemed in loco parentis, too? 50 ~= >'18' for all legal purposes. Besides, as to these litmus decisions -- the creds lost by the USSC in the '00 Election-nullification only hinted at the next rash of 5-4 redefinitions of the Constitution. Now if all 3 branches of Govt. + the pathetic remnants of the 4th (Estate) also drop below 30% in these tiresome polls, we may achieve perfect consistency, at last - Nobody listening to anyone. A Nation of W-clones. I can hardly wait.
Post #287,993 by bepatient 6/28/07 8:25:13 AM Reply	This is a litmus decision? I'm surprised they even took it. Student, at a school event, deliberately (by his own admission) provokes the school administration with a sign that he considers a joke and they don't. He lost. He should have. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #288,047 by Ashton 6/28/07 9:45:57 PM Reply	Litmus only in the sense that - should an unbroken stream of reversals of minor issues ensue, converging, betraying a pattern asymptotic to some Major Reversals, now being brewed -- then we shall have the full measure of the degree of sophisticated lying within the ~~Bush~~Cheney/Rove-picks' {hah} 'testimony' before Congress. Man: The Lying Animal. 21st Century man: less and less interested in whether it matters.

I hate it when they're right - (andread) - (56) - June 25, 2007, 12:44:03 PM EDT

"Money talks!" -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 25, 2007, 01:21:44 PM EDT

What makes them right? - (Seamus) - (45) - June 25, 2007, 10:07:11 PM EDT

mass speech is free, commercial is not -NT - (boxley) - June 26, 2007, 07:23:10 AM EDT

Re: What makes them right? - (andread) - (40) - June 26, 2007, 08:47:55 AM EDT

In the real world, it doesn't really work that way - (jake123) - (14) - June 26, 2007, 08:53:11 AM EDT

Re: In the real world, it doesn't really work that way - (andread) - (13) - June 26, 2007, 12:12:57 PM EDT

The problem as I see it is this: - (hnick) - (10) - June 26, 2007, 12:42:23 PM EDT

Nice theory :-) -NT - (bepatient) - (8) - June 26, 2007, 01:48:56 PM EDT

What part? - (jb4) - (7) - June 27, 2007, 10:16:34 AM EDT

Re: What part? - (bepatient) - (6) - June 27, 2007, 11:10:23 AM EDT

Not sure it was really ever a theory... - (jb4) - (5) - June 27, 2007, 08:56:25 PM EDT

Lofty ideal perhaps? -NT - (bepatient) - June 27, 2007, 11:29:14 PM EDT

Ok, so it's a joke these days. - (hnick) - (3) - June 28, 2007, 06:55:10 AM EDT

land of the safe home of the whiners? -NT - (boxley) - (2) - June 28, 2007, 09:09:34 AM EDT

Better, but I'd likely be more caustic. -NT - (hnick) - (1) - June 28, 2007, 09:20:00 AM EDT

Land of the somnolent shopping sheep? - (Ashton) - June 28, 2007, 10:00:24 PM EDT

Money tilt - (tablizer) - July 2, 2007, 12:32:51 AM EDT

So the well heeled should be alowed to drown out . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 26, 2007, 01:50:30 PM EDT

you are either a mass movement that can collectively - (boxley) - June 26, 2007, 03:50:24 PM EDT

Anyone can be heard - (Seamus) - (24) - June 26, 2007, 07:08:47 PM EDT

wrong conclusion - (boxley) - (23) - June 26, 2007, 08:04:44 PM EDT

I disagree - (Seamus) - (22) - June 26, 2007, 08:31:31 PM EDT

School property is not the issue - (crazy) - (16) - June 26, 2007, 08:47:10 PM EDT

No it is not the issue - (Seamus) - (13) - June 26, 2007, 08:50:29 PM EDT

its the CENTRAL ISSUE to the ruling sheesh -NT - (boxley) - (12) - June 26, 2007, 08:51:47 PM EDT

It was the intent to promote drug use - (Seamus) - (11) - June 26, 2007, 09:16:41 PM EDT

splutter! - (boxley) - (10) - June 26, 2007, 09:31:35 PM EDT

Are you really this dense? - (Seamus) - (9) - June 27, 2007, 05:28:16 AM EDT

Re: Are you really this dense? - (bepatient) - (7) - June 27, 2007, 07:03:48 AM EDT

What was that about "it's a free country", again? -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - June 27, 2007, 08:06:35 AM EDT

Couple of issues with this - (bepatient) - (5) - June 27, 2007, 11:14:29 AM EDT

Dude, not only is 18 over the "age of consent" - (jb4) - (4) - June 27, 2007, 08:58:13 PM EDT

Ask it another way - (bepatient) - (3) - June 27, 2007, 11:41:43 PM EDT

Begs the question of his Majority - (Ashton) - (2) - June 28, 2007, 05:23:27 AM EDT

This is a litmus decision? - (bepatient) - (1) - June 28, 2007, 08:25:13 AM EDT

Litmus only in the sense that - - (Ashton) - June 28, 2007, 09:45:57 PM EDT

Im not the one who cant understand the basis of the case - (boxley) - June 27, 2007, 09:09:08 AM EDT

Re: School property is not the issue - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - June 27, 2007, 10:14:47 AM EDT

Prec\ufffdsamente - that would be a 100% Murican cop-out. -NT - (Ashton) - June 27, 2007, 05:01:56 PM EDT

so all for censorship I see, no free speech allowed - (boxley) - (4) - June 26, 2007, 08:51:02 PM EDT

It is all about intent - (Seamus) - (3) - June 26, 2007, 09:33:36 PM EDT

speech from non commercial groups CANNOT be regulated - (boxley) - (2) - June 26, 2007, 09:43:01 PM EDT

Let me be clearer - (Seamus) - (1) - June 27, 2007, 05:35:02 AM EDT

I have not seen the ad, what in detail was the content -NT - (boxley) - June 27, 2007, 09:10:25 AM EDT

I'm ambivalent. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 26, 2007, 09:50:18 AM EDT

Between Washington and Franklin, - (Ashton) - June 26, 2007, 06:20:45 PM EDT

Remember, according to a previous ruling, money == speech -NT - (jb4) - June 27, 2007, 09:29:50 AM EDT

What the week's rulings taught us. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - June 27, 2007, 01:04:41 PM EDT

Yes, just that Simple. 5-to-4s ... til the 'revolution'. -NT - (Ashton) - June 27, 2007, 05:05:08 PM EDT

Re: What the week's rulings taught us. - (andread) - (3) - June 27, 2007, 05:05:35 PM EDT

Depends on exactly what is meant by "corporate" - (jake123) - June 28, 2007, 08:54:12 AM EDT

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 28, 2007, 10:04:49 AM EDT

It's a fine line between naive wishfulness and gullibility. - (Ashton) - June 28, 2007, 10:13:57 PM EDT

There's still a bit of hope... - (scoenye) - (1) - June 29, 2007, 01:41:11 PM EDT

:-) .. a few truffles amidst the turds, anyway -NT - (Ashton) - June 29, 2007, 03:59:56 PM EDT

Re: I hate it when they're right-eously dissembling - (Ashton) - June 29, 2007, 09:06:07 PM EDT

I strongly recommend 72 as a good default.
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