Post #278,668
3/18/07 9:56:37 AM
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It it is genetic
Going out on a limb, if it is genetic it goes back to the beginning of man, before religion and churches, to man's first attempts to understand the world around him. Anyway, the nytimes article was very interesting and while it has been archived, it seems to be accessible here:
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html?ei=5090&en=43cfb46824423cea&ex=1330664400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all|http://www.nytimes.c...ss&pagewanted=all]
"Which is the better biological explanation for a belief in God \ufffd evolutionary adaptation or neurological accident? Is there something about the cognitive functioning of humans that makes us receptive to belief in a supernatural deity? And if scientists are able to explain God, what then? Is explaining religion the same thing as explaining it away? Are the nonbelievers right, and is religion at its core an empty undertaking, a misdirection, a vestigial artifact of a primitive mind? Or are the believers right, and does the fact that we have the mental capacities for discerning God suggest that it was God who put them there?
In short, are we hard-wired to believe in God? And if we are, how and why did that happen?"
Seamus
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Post #278,677
3/18/07 11:19:48 AM
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think about it, do chimps sit around discussing imagination?
or do they exist for eating crapping sleeping and sex? thanx, bill
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Post #278,681
3/18/07 11:27:41 AM
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what do chimps think about
Just because there communications skills are not as advanced as ours, does it mean they don't think about where they came from?
Seamus
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Post #278,691
3/18/07 12:12:48 PM
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nope, spent a pleasant hour with npr while a english major
explained that chimps in fact do not. thanx, bill
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Post #278,699
3/18/07 1:02:03 PM
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I wasn't expecting an answer
But, then what do chimps have to do with a question about human genetics? If it is genetic it happened after the evolutionary split.
Seamus
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Post #278,766
3/18/07 9:47:24 PM
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what evolutionary split? :-)
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Post #278,767
3/18/07 10:15:02 PM
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A better question might be, What does Ballmer think about?
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/18/AR2007031801130_pf.html|Washington Post]: Monday, March 19, 2007; A06
When Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal read a news story that said Microsoft's chief executive, Steve Ballmer, had hurled a chair across the room on hearing an employee was going to work for rival Google, the scientist immediately made a connection with his own research: "When I see such behavior, I think of a chimpanzee."
Another time, a researcher that de Waal knew told him that whenever she chatted with another scientist in the hallway, her boss would get upset. He would later drop by her office and tell her she ought to stay clear of that person.
"He was constantly interfering whenever she had a contact with an important person," de Waal said. "Chimpanzees also divide and rule. You have an alpha male, and he will try to keep his supporters away from his rivals. His supporters are in trouble if they groom one of his rivals."
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Over the past two centuries, people have had to disabuse themselves about various ideologies asserting that humans are fundamentally different from other animals. Biologists have shown that our arms and legs and organs have long evolutionary histories. Beliefs about the uniqueness of human behavior might well be the last bastion of our superiority complex, but research by de Waal and many others suggests that even this redoubt may be crumbling.
"I have done studies of reconciliation and coalition strategies in chimpanzees," de Waal said. "Business managers tell me that reminds them so much of what people do."
[...] I assume boxley's comment is about the same researcher, but I didn't hear it so I don't know for sure. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #278,694
3/18/07 12:37:38 PM
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We are God
We create our own subjective realities.
God. Karma. Chi. Qi. Chakras. The Holy Spirit. Quantum physics. All the same thing. That good old universal metaphysical energy that connects us all and molds our realities.
God is there if we create him.
Chew on that for awhile.
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Post #278,700
3/18/07 1:04:20 PM
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We create our own God
But did we do so because we have a genetic need to explain the supernatural? Or is a result of civilization or some other factor?
Seamus
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Post #278,704
3/18/07 1:18:47 PM
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No. We create are own reality.
I've created my own subjective reality. My consciousness is the creator. Consciousness is God. You only exist because I perceive you to be there. I created YOU. It has nothing to do with genetics or culture or the supernatural.
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Post #278,706
3/18/07 1:38:11 PM
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My reality involves...
...lots of college basketball at the moment. And if I really do posses god like qualities, Texas and Texas A&M will be in the final four!
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Post #278,707
3/18/07 1:42:47 PM
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If you think it, it will come.
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Post #278,754
3/18/07 8:26:39 PM
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Think of me often then, please.
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Post #278,757
3/18/07 8:52:07 PM
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<phantom type="opera">Think of me softly ...</phantom>
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Post #278,772
3/18/07 10:43:48 PM
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Will do
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Post #278,761
3/18/07 9:08:52 PM
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God help us all...
...sayeth the New Messican!
;-)
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Post #278,768
3/18/07 10:27:38 PM
3/18/07 10:28:29 PM
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Depends on the state of your Thetans.
[link|http://www.firstchurchofxenu.com/|http://www.firstchurchofxenu.com/]
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Edited by imric
March 18, 2007, 10:28:29 PM EDT
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Post #278,708
3/18/07 2:08:03 PM
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So I get to send my complaints to you?
Do you prefer to see them here? email? fax? Or are you going to read my mind?
Seamus
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Post #278,716
3/18/07 2:44:24 PM
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Well, let's think this through.
In a true subjective reality model, you dont exist, so therefore you have no mind for me to read. For the sake of argument let's pretend you do exist and I am a manifestation of YOUR thoughts and consciousness. I am whoever you want me to be. If you want to worship me I will be happy to be worshiped. And being the control freak that I am, the thought of being Queen of the Universe in your reality is a wet dream come true.
The complaint department is open.
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Post #278,718
3/18/07 2:57:03 PM
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Is this all there is?
I make you the queen of my reality and you get a wet dream. What do I get out of it?
Seamus
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Post #278,725
3/18/07 3:29:50 PM
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Isnt that enough?
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Post #278,726
3/18/07 3:42:34 PM
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What if it isn't?
Seamus
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Post #278,734
3/18/07 4:26:40 PM
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It works for me.
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Post #278,737
3/18/07 4:37:58 PM
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Guess I will have to make it work for me!
Seamus
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Post #278,773
3/18/07 10:45:08 PM
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It's good to be queen.
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Post #278,881
3/19/07 11:13:33 PM
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By Jove, I think.. I think..
She's Got it.
{scratch scratch} But since ...
[When Rama, seated on the lily pad, opens eyes: a Universe appears]
[Closes eyes: a Universe disappears]
..strongly implying that [each of 'us' fanciful musings] be no more than Rama's Dreamstate creations..
Well, then - -
[In the words of YAN sage, a modern one: "I was never born.. how then, can I 'die'?"]
..thus, while 'the unexamined life is not worth living' (to coin a phrase) Let us then heed Meher Baba, who was fond of saying, Dont Worry.. Be Happy!
Let us liquidate some local cathedral, use the proceeds to buy a yellow Ferrari 350 Convertible and ... kick some ass!
ie
living in an illusion, bunky? Make lemonade.
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Post #278,886
3/19/07 11:28:00 PM
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But . . but . . but . . .
. . but Ferraris are supposed to be red - you heretic!
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Post #278,890
3/19/07 11:47:42 PM
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Easy: contrarian Ferrari owners give good head ;^>
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Post #278,916
3/20/07 9:15:12 AM
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Yep. It's my new philosphy
Groovy, isnt it?
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Post #278,705
3/18/07 1:18:53 PM
3/18/07 1:19:33 PM
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Dupe. Ignore. Fast fingers.
Edited by bionerd
March 18, 2007, 01:19:33 PM EDT
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Post #278,784
3/19/07 1:57:48 AM
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I've killed mine - as an example to the rest of you
I4 NOW!
Impeach, Indict, Incarcerate, Inject Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice
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Post #278,796
3/19/07 6:28:24 AM
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Maybe that's why you're so cranky
Go on. Get a God. You know you wanna.
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Post #278,872
3/19/07 10:46:23 PM
3/19/07 10:52:29 PM
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If you meet the Buddha on the way, kill him.
I4 NOW!
Impeach, Indict, Incarcerate, Inject Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice
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Post #278,874
3/19/07 10:59:59 PM
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No way, man
I like Buddha. You introduced me to him, if you recall.
Buddha..Jesus..who else is on your hit list?
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Post #278,876
3/19/07 11:03:06 PM
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Sigh - its a koan
[link|http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ykillbud.htm|http://www.globalser...arlo/Ykillbud.htm]
I4 NOW!
Impeach, Indict, Incarcerate, Inject Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice
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Post #278,878
3/19/07 11:04:41 PM
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Tricky
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Post #278,884
3/19/07 11:17:55 PM
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OT: a most succinct, apt, saucy sig, se\ufffdor. Count me in..
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Post #278,711
3/18/07 2:14:11 PM
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Which genes do that, then?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Post #278,721
3/18/07 3:09:42 PM
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It is just one theory
But it is an interesting theory to me. Were you able to read the article?
Seamus
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