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New I would think not.
I had a history professor some 35+- years ago who spent some weeks on the subject. I found it interesting so I still remember the basics of his argument. I don't have all the data that he presented to support his thesis but the fundamentals go like this:

Religion is a development of civilization. There is no common belief system until you have large numbers of people who interact with each other. Nomads and hunter-gathers and such have beliefs but don't formalize it because everything is based on their own experience.

Civilization always begins at river deltas because that is where the best soil gathers and it is easier to generate good crops. Once people start taking ownership and responsibility for food sources you have the basis for a civilization.

Leaders emerge, usually because they can make everybody else believe that they are more likely to be correct than them. In an agrarian society, knowing the flood times of the river are critical. The brighter leaders, who can predict the flood schedule, can also make guesses on other things with some authority. At this point it is good to have a god. The god only talks directly to the leader and is the authority behind the guesses. This means that the leader doesn't have to explain a lot or convince the sheeple. God said it, I believe it, you do it. Now comes the fun part...

If you have a river like the Tigris-Euphrates, which has an erratic flooding schedule, the god(s) CAN'T be wrong; they're pissed off because the sheeple did something wrong. You end up with an angry, vengeful deity with no sense of humor whatsoever. If you have a river like the Nile, where you can set your watch on the flood times, you end up with fairly non-hostile animistic gods. Vagaries of nature are just whimsy of the deities. In the long run, the god(s) are just an authority figure that can be used as a control mechanism. In societies where other control mechanisms are stronger, gods tend to be less defined and powerful. They are still a good black box way for people to explain things that don't make normal sense to them.

That is a very rough overview of his thesis. He presented a lot of data on expansion of civilization and related it back to human behavior patterns. I found it both interesting and persuasive. YMMV.

The profs name was Dr. Faust. He was a lawyer who was clobbered in the McCarthy era, who subsequently went back to get a doctorate in history. Interesting guy. One of my favorite professors.
New Faust!
He must have gotten a lot of grief for that name! :-)

Thanks for the summary. It makes great sense to me.

Cheers,
Scott.
New That's why I included his name
At the time, I found it kinda ironic that somebody with his handle would have an agnostic view of religion, but declined to mention it to him...

Very interesting guy. Google turns up nothing on him. I am saddened to think he may have just faded away. Even if he was wrong, he made students think and open horizons.

On the other paw, how many people can say that Dr. Faust was one of their favorite professors? If nothing else, it's good for parties and the internet...
New Love. It.
And congrats for a decently scanning retelling, of an obviously Interesting prof's thesis.

Heh - it is said that the 'mind' works entirely on 'associations' | metaphor
(including.. All the senses - even and maybe even, especially - that of smell.)
(Early experiences, later vividly recalled: Prove that last..)

Delta:
rich, loamy, earthy environs

[-] Excluded: math, as in 'change' ~ dV/dt - only geeky insubstantial thought, there!

The Delta of Venus
-- Anais Nin


nuff said



{chortle}
New This seems to be about how religions spread
Even if you don't have religions till large groups of people amass, what happens to the small groups of people? Do you not think about the supernatural? If they do, what does that mean?

It doesn't appear to address the issue of whether there is a human need for religion that is genetic.
Seamus
New That's the qualification
If you have small groups of people that don't interact with others, they will have limited or nil religions. If they interact with other groups (think tribes) then you still have a larger population, albeit disbursed.

As long as you have intelligent beings, there will be speculation about the unknown. Only when there is a leadership structure, is there a need to have a pat answer to explain the ineffable. The easiest answer is a black box. Historically, the box is called $deity.

I don't think it any more genetic than general human nature. Which is kind of like saying herd animals tend to herd. It's just a tool. The Chinese had warlords; hundreds of gods, but who cared? Pray to the kitchen god, but watch out for the warlord. Different values based on the most likely way to survive.

Just my 0.02
Hugh
     Jesus' tomb and Darwin's God - (Seamus) - (80)
         Missed it. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             I saw it - (bionerd) - (2)
                 One of the inscriptions is in dispute. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     I bet they all made dough, though. -NT - (jake123)
         Did you watch the "discussion" afterwards? - (folkert) - (54)
             Exodus Decoded was another one . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                 With the big... - (folkert)
             I didn't watch any of it - (Seamus) - (51)
                 Missed that, too. - (Another Scott)
                 Talk to a psychologist. - (static) - (49)
                     But is it genetic? - (Seamus) - (48)
                         It was/is advantageous to some. - (pwhysall) - (39)
                             It it is genetic - (Seamus) - (38)
                                 think about it, do chimps sit around discussing imagination? - (boxley) - (5)
                                     what do chimps think about - (Seamus) - (4)
                                         nope, spent a pleasant hour with npr while a english major - (boxley) - (2)
                                             I wasn't expecting an answer - (Seamus) - (1)
                                                 what evolutionary split? :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                         A better question might be, What does Ballmer think about? - (Another Scott)
                                 We are God - (bionerd) - (29)
                                     We create our own God - (Seamus) - (28)
                                         No. We create are own reality. - (bionerd) - (19)
                                             My reality involves... - (ChrisR) - (6)
                                                 If you think it, it will come. -NT - (bionerd) - (3)
                                                     Think of me often then, please. -NT - (jake123) - (2)
                                                         <phantom type="opera">Think of me softly ...</phantom> -NT - (drewk)
                                                         Will do -NT - (bionerd)
                                                 God help us all... - (jb4)
                                                 Depends on the state of your Thetans. -NT - (imric)
                                             So I get to send my complaints to you? - (Seamus) - (7)
                                                 Well, let's think this through. - (bionerd) - (6)
                                                     Is this all there is? - (Seamus) - (5)
                                                         Isnt that enough? -NT - (bionerd) - (4)
                                                             What if it isn't? -NT - (Seamus) - (3)
                                                                 It works for me. -NT - (bionerd) - (2)
                                                                     Guess I will have to make it work for me! -NT - (Seamus) - (1)
                                                                         It's good to be queen. -NT - (bionerd)
                                             By Jove, I think.. I think.. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                 But . . but . . but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                     Easy: contrarian Ferrari owners give good head ;^> -NT - (Ashton)
                                                 Yep. It's my new philosphy - (bionerd)
                                         Dupe. Ignore. Fast fingers. -NT - (bionerd)
                                         I've killed mine - as an example to the rest of you -NT - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                             Maybe that's why you're so cranky - (bionerd) - (5)
                                                 If you meet the Buddha on the way, kill him. -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                                     No way, man - (bionerd) - (3)
                                                         Sigh - its a koan - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                             Tricky -NT - (bionerd)
                                                             OT: a most succinct, apt, saucy sig, se\ufffdor. Count me in.. -NT - (Ashton)
                                 Which genes do that, then? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     It is just one theory - (Seamus)
                         I don't know. - (static)
                         Not sure if this addresses it, but - (crazy)
                         I would think not. - (hnick) - (5)
                             Faust! - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 That's why I included his name - (hnick) - (1)
                                     Love. It. - (Ashton)
                             This seems to be about how religions spread - (Seamus) - (1)
                                 That's the qualification - (hnick)
         It wasn't the shocker they were predicting. - (static) - (5)
             If it were the real-deal - (bionerd) - (4)
                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe)
                 Oh, Indeed! - (Ashton)
                 The DaVinci Code - (imqwerky) - (1)
                     Yabut - (bionerd)
         Show me the Zombie - (Silverlock) - (14)
             If Jesus gets up. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                 define ghost please -NT - (boxley) - (6)
                     Life after death. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                         define death then - (boxley) - (4)
                             Cessation of electrical activity in the brain... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                 thats not death thats transformation - (boxley) - (2)
                                     Yes, it's death. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         Nit. - (mmoffitt)
                 Dude, I said "if". - (Silverlock) - (2)
                     Dude, I thought my comment was in line w/yours. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Probably similar. - (Silverlock)
                 I do - (bionerd) - (2)
                     Ignore - (pwhysall)
                     Why do you believe in ghosts? (new thread) - (pwhysall)

Ooops, I'm ranting again... time to get more coffee.
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