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12/23/06 1:02:46 PM

I know you're missing this on purpose, but ...

only Pete W actually addressed this directly by saying that that company would have to pay full price for Windows (which according to the vast majority in this thread they wouldn't need and if they're not buying then it wouldn't matter if MS charged them 10000% more than they charge Dell)

No. If the company offered to sell me a computer with no OS, or with a non-Windows OS, that company would have to charge me for Windows anyway. If they didn't charge me for a copy of Windows that I didn't want, they would have to charge everyone else they sell a computer to the full retail price. That would make their Windows offering non-competetive.

So if a manufacturer wants to sell any computers with Windows on them, they have to charge for Windows on all of them. That means that if I want to buy a Dell, I am going to be paying for Windows. There are no large manufacturers with 24x7 support, worldwide distribution, and enterprise-level support capabilities that will sell me a PC without charging me for Windows.

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French consumer group targets the Microsoft tax. - (a6l6e6x) - (80) - Dec. 14, 2006, 11:46:50 AM EST

French consumer group targets the "Microsoft tax". - (andread) - (79) - Dec. 14, 2006, 03:58:48 PM EST

Maybe you can - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:30:30 PM EST

thats probably the most stupid remark you have ever uttered - (boxley) - (77) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:51:38 PM EST

Unfortunately, no, it isn't. - (CRConrad) - (76) - Dec. 15, 2006, 02:40:10 AM EST

So Move to France - (andread) - (75) - Dec. 15, 2006, 10:57:20 AM EST

so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell $MS -NT - (boxley) - (74) - Dec. 15, 2006, 11:40:09 AM EST

Re: so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell - (andread) - (73) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:36:12 PM EST

really? - (boxley) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:48:56 PM EST

It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:51:06 PM EST

Re: It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (andread) - (70) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:20:32 AM EST

well dell and gateway anyway, customer service sux -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:32:50 AM EST

Hmm. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:35:45 AM EST

It is to laugh . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:20:10 PM EST

Nit - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:24 PM EST

Yea, PowerEdge - corrected. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:18:43 PM EST

I have a Lenovo laptop - (crazy) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:27 PM EST

You miss the point spectacularly. - (pwhysall) - (63) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:15:10 PM EST

Most shills do. ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (61) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:16:10 PM EST

Re: Most shills do. ;-) - (andread) - (60) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:19:59 AM EST

There are certainly ways to do that WITHOUT - (bepatient) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:36:40 AM EST

All PC buyers aren't the same. - (Another Scott) - (8) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:49:56 AM EST

Why on Earth would you think such a thing??? - (CRConrad) - (7) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:14:10 PM EST

Fanboy, maybe. Shill, no. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:31:31 PM EST

Perhaps even a longterm MSFT stockholder. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:35:45 PM EST

Whew! For a while there, I thought I had the usage wrong... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:55:20 AM EST

dunno crc shill/fanboy=prostitute/slut one gets paid to - (boxley) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:15:49 PM EST

wrong - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:47:33 AM EST

Uuuh... How, exactly, was that *not* logic? - (CRConrad) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:34:06 PM EST

logic? - (andread) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:25:44 AM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:10 AM EST

It's a lot harder, actually. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:30:18 PM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:13 AM EST

And that means "Windows only" just how? - (Andrew Grygus) - (46) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:29:27 PM EST

Re: And that means "Windows only" just how? - (andread) - (45) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:07:48 PM EST

I'll bet companies that have to pay twice would like it. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:30:08 PM EST

The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (43) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:50:48 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (andread) - (42) - Dec. 19, 2006, 10:50:53 AM EST

You are still missing it - (bepatient) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:04:08 AM EST

For values of "missing it" equal to "doesn't WANT to get it" - (CRConrad) - (14) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:01:22 PM EST

I understand the mental block - (bepatient) - (11) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:17:14 PM EST

Bunk - (andread) - (10) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:09:42 PM EST

Bullpucky - (bepatient) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:53:03 PM EST

horsekabobs - (boxley) - (8) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:16 PM EST

Are you talking desktops or servers? - (lincoln) - (7) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:46:56 PM EST

Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:05:24 PM EST

Last I heard - though that was a while back . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Dec. 20, 2006, 05:38:47 PM EST

well, hear this - (andread) - (4) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:44:01 AM EST

Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:48:27 AM EST

your words cited below - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:54:30 AM EST

That's not what was said. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:27:16 AM EST

I can show you a desktop... - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:48:18 AM EST

For values of "Chuckles" equal to "doesn't get it" - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:13:48 PM EST

Chuckling my cheeks off. - (CRConrad) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:44:30 AM EST

Re: You are still missing it - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:02:00 PM EST

I didn't give you a car analogy - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:53 PM EST

I think he's just trying to be annoying - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 20, 2006, 01:35:22 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:26:46 AM EST

full retail? - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:03:50 PM EST

Re: Business model - (hnick) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:41:26 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (Simon_Jester) - (15) - Dec. 20, 2006, 09:48:41 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (14) - Dec. 20, 2006, 10:10:24 AM EST

Wow.... - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:44:26 AM EST

The refund is wrong. - (pwhysall) - (12) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:47:07 AM EST

a little googling - (andread) - (11) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:02:37 AM EST

Did ZD do a followup, hmmm? -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:32:06 AM EST

No pressure...of course not. - (Simon_Jester) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:20:52 PM EST

As a builder formerly listed as a "Microsoft Partner" - - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:38:18 PM EST

Re: a little googling ____ Not. So. Fast. there, fanboy - (Ashton) - (7) - Dec. 22, 2006, 03:19:41 AM EST

Ashton . . . you trying to overload the poor boy? - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:48:15 PM EST

Re: a little googling - (andread) - (5) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:09:45 PM EST

Ooh boy - (bepatient) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:55:32 PM EST

Ooh - (andread) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2006, 10:28:47 AM EST

I know you're missing this on purpose, but ... - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:02:46 PM EST

You STILL ignore the point - (bepatient) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:21:51 PM EST

Oh...So what, exactly, *did* you think we'd be discussing... - (CRConrad) - Dec. 23, 2006, 03:22:57 PM EST

Car analogy holds - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Dec. 19, 2006, 02:23:48 PM EST

Car analogy reeks - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:15:45 PM EST

Car analogy works - (ubernostrum) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:58:52 PM EST

Eh? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:18:01 AM EST

That's not what he was aiming for -NT - (drewk) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:20:48 PM EST

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