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New Re: Utter nonsense.
They're not "dropping like flies" at all. There's been what? Half a dozen accidents in a three month period? How many absolutely uneventful flights took place in that time? And in the year before that?


Try 5 accidents in August alone, not a 3 month period.

When you add up the crashes versus the millions of safe miles flown, the risk is minimal. I'd fly everywhere if I could.


The big problem though, is the media never tells anyone about all those flights that were fine... they only go nuts over the crashes so they stand out and we focus on those. Sometimes I wish they would point out during a crash story just how many planes DID make it from said airline, so that we could get some measure of comfort from that. But they don't care about us, just making and reporting news.

Brenda



"Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
New Five whole accidents?
For a total of what? 500 dead? If that?

What is it going to take to get you to embark upon a proctocraniotomy?

Firstly, let's look at some actual air accident numbers from the charmingly but accurately titled [link|http://www.planecrashinfo.com|http://www.planecrashinfo.com]:

[link|http://www.planecrashinfo.com/more%20accidents%20lately.htm|http://www.planecras...ents%20lately.htm]

Clearly, we won't have the numbers for August 2005, but let's look at 2004.

[link|http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/RNotes/2005/809897.pdf|http://www-nrd.nhtsa...s/2005/809897.pdf]

42,636 fatalities in 2004. That's 3,553 deaths every month. There's an estimate that for every fatality on the roads in the USA, there will be 13 seriously injured. That makes a staggering 46,189 seriously injured every month.

The good news is that this was a reduction from 2003!

The bad news is that 11 states have worse fatality rates than Portugal, where red means "stop if you want to", and the motto is "we lift off for pedestrians".

[link|http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info%20section/statistics/stats-usa_indiv-states_per-capita_2002.htm|http://www.driveands...r-capita_2002.htm]

The good news for you, Brenda, is that Missouri is the least worst of the worst states that are worse than the worse country!

And here's some accident rate information from planecrashinfo.com:

[link|http://www.planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm|http://www.planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm]

Look at Delta Airlines, the #1 rated US airline: 4 fatal events for...

EIGHTEEN POINT FIVE MILLION FLIGHTS

Here's the giant, enormous clue, Brenda:

Air travel is safer than driving by an enormous margin.

Now, can we PLEASE put a lid on this bullshit?


Peter
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Expand Edited by pwhysall Aug. 29, 2005, 03:02:09 PM EDT
     Ask the Pilot___nervous, lately? - (Ashton) - (127)
         I am not big on flying these days. - (bionerd) - (118)
             Me either! - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 There was going to be a comment here. - (pwhysall)
             Oh, for the love of... -NT - (mmoffitt) - (26)
                 You cant dispute that an unusually high number of - (bionerd) - (25)
                     Yes, I can. - (pwhysall) - (9)
                         Up 300% over last year -NT - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                             Need to see number of flights. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                 Dunno without checking, but in the millions -NT - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     Anecdotal is travel is up. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         My answer made as much sense as that chart - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                             I got it. -NT - (bionerd)
                             And the year before that? - (pwhysall)
                         That chart - (bionerd) - (1)
                             Noticed how "casualty" has morphed to mean "fatality"? - (Another Scott)
                     Yes, I can. And you don't get any slack ... - (mmoffitt) - (14)
                         Plane age does figure into it - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                             In theory, I agree. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                 There *was* that air Hawaii flight where the roof peeled off - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                     Yeah, and then there was this. - (mmoffitt)
                         Um... - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             IF... the condition of Omnipresence. Slowww Learners R'us -NT - (Ashton)
                             Heh. - (mmoffitt)
                         good lord - (bionerd) - (5)
                             Re: good lord - (Nightowl) - (4)
                                 s/propose/purport/ - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     Neuroses? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                         Note that it's a *foolish* consistency. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             Well.. methinks that the Great Ones were! - (Ashton)
                         Another crash (new thread) - (bionerd)
             Utter nonsense. - (pwhysall) - (87)
                 Wot 'e said. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                 Aye. I often point out - (imric) - (77)
                     Re: Aye. I often point out - (Nightowl)
                     And you'd be wrong in that - (ben_tilly) - (75)
                         dunno about safety but comfort factor is 500 miles - (boxley) - (74)
                             Not if you fly yourself ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (73)
                                 Re: Not if you fly yourself ;0) - (Nightowl) - (72)
                                     False sense of security - (Steve Lowe) - (71)
                                         Well.. occasionally planes manage to run into each other too - (Ashton) - (1)
                                             One can do even more in a small aircraft. - (mmoffitt)
                                         What do I do? - (Nightowl) - (68)
                                             Love. It. - poor/smart person's Hummer. Laugh --> bank. -NT - (Ashton) - (38)
                                                 Nit: maybe not the bank with gas nearly $3/gal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (37)
                                                     Re: Nit: maybe not the bank with gas nearly $3/gal. - (Nightowl)
                                                     I play a really small violin for thee - (pwhysall) - (35)
                                                         Pick some up when you pick up the London Bridge. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                                             Up to \ufffd1/litre in places. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                                                 Hey. I wasn't whynghyng. Twas a Q about the changes. - (Another Scott)
                                                                 Just wait. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                     Atlanta has a 7 day supply left and pipelines are off - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                         It's all about the local vacations now. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                             Detroit, here you come.. -NT - (bionerd)
                                                                         Moved early. As of 10am it's $3.29 here. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                             I think Peter's got a point. - (static) - (3)
                                                                 0.88 USD / Liter here now - (admin) - (2)
                                                                     Yes, that's a problem. -NT - (static) - (1)
                                                                         RE: Your .sig: Hey, how'd you make the Reversed "d"? - (folkert)
                                                         But is your commute over 30 miles each way? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (22)
                                                             What's that got to do with the zen of cucumbers? -NT - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                 economic pain = price*quantity - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                     That'd be your choice, then. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                         Yes, it would. As I said up front. - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                             Any remote chance: a ride-pool sorta thing, given 'hours' ? -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                 Nope. I have odd hours. And they move a lot. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                             Mine's 57 miles each way. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                                                                 Gocha beat...63 miles each way - (jb4) - (14)
                                                                     I'd say both of you ought to consider relocation -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                                         Heh. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         In this housing market, - (jb4)
                                                                     Pshaw - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                         Wanna borrow my cycle? - (Ashton) - (9)
                                                                             I've been thinking along those lines - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                                 I had fewer problems on TPK and GSP - (imric)
                                                                                 Just bought one - (Steve Lowe) - (3)
                                                                                     Synchronicity! - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                                                         Rode it some tonight - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                                                                             Oh Yeah: Always renew! - (Ashton)
                                                                                 Not sure you'd wanna ride 2 wheels in a NJ winter... - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                                     I did it one Cleveland winter - (hnick)
                                                                                 So had a co-worker - (ben_tilly)
                                             COAST - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                 That's GOOD! - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                     COAST in depth, by a UK trafpol from another forum: - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                         Saved for distribution. - (Ashton)
                                                 CRAP - (tuberculosis)
                                             Oh lovely, it runs in the family. - (CRConrad) - (23)
                                                 Yeah, I wondered about that. - (pwhysall)
                                                 especially the car he was driving - (boxley) - (20)
                                                     Re: especially the car he was driving - (Nightowl) - (19)
                                                         Feh. - (pwhysall) - (18)
                                                             I beg to differ - (Nightowl)
                                                             You didn't drive much when you were here, did you? - (drewk) - (16)
                                                                 So? - (pwhysall) - (14)
                                                                     You've never driven the Southfield Freeway, either. - (admin)
                                                                     So? - (Nightowl) - (12)
                                                                         I mean a different thing, it seems. - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                                                             Re: I mean a different thing, it seems. - (Nightowl) - (10)
                                                                                 Shiny things. Look in them occasionally. - (pwhysall) - (9)
                                                                                     That's what I'm telling you - (drewk) - (7)
                                                                                         Exactly - (Nightowl)
                                                                                         Some of the worst one *I* know about... - (folkert) - (5)
                                                                                             I'm thinking PA Tunrpike - (drewk) - (3)
                                                                                                 Buncha wimps - (broomberg) - (2)
                                                                                                     Might just be Darwin in action... - (jb4)
                                                                                                     There are multiple evolved strategies for this problem - (ben_tilly)
                                                                                             Hmmm - spent a couple summers at 119-14 Union Tpke - (Ashton)
                                                                                     Bikers in all-black on black cycles should be banned. - (static)
                                                                 That depends on area - (ben_tilly)
                                                 Actually, no - (Nightowl)
                 Maybe there IS something to be said for roundabouts... - (jb4) - (5)
                     Re: Maybe there IS something to be said for roundabouts... - (pwhysall) - (4)
                         trouble is all those dam cars going the wrong way -NT - (boxley)
                         OMFG! "Magic Roundabout" -NT - (drewk) - (2)
                             Designed to trap Americans, I think - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 "Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament! Look kids! Big Ben! Par..." -NT - (Meerkat)
                 Re: Utter nonsense. - (Nightowl) - (1)
                     Five whole accidents? - (pwhysall)
             I'm not afraid! - (imqwerky)
         Don't forget - (imqwerky) - (2)
             Similar, yet not - (scoenye) - (1)
                 Thanks for the update - (Nightowl)
         Love.It.__Predictable statistics rants, Guys - (Ashton) - (4)
             And in English? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                 Yes, there is that, too.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                     And the current direction /is/ down... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         Reminds of a WW-II story - (Ashton)

It's spelled "LRPD", but it's pronounced "mumble"!
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