Post #210,193
6/7/05 2:39:32 AM
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Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers.
The key has a little RFID-type thingy in it. If the ignition system doesn't recognise the code in the key, it doesn't start. And the correct key no longer works, either! There were copious warnings from Mitsubishi about this when I got my ignition key copied: buy the blank from them, get it cut somewhere, come back and we'll code it.
I believe these are mandated in Australia, now.
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Post #210,194
6/7/05 2:53:35 AM
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That's certainly the case for my car.
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Post #210,208
6/7/05 8:31:47 AM
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cant press the valet button?
better yet yank the 2 wires that go into it and tie them together which is what I did on my Aerostar when the rfid battery on my key died. For techno savvy folks you have strange ieas about how electricity works. The only thing you really need a key for is to unlock the steering wheel and there is ways around that as well. thanx, bill
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Post #210,209
6/7/05 8:35:42 AM
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"Valet button"?
No such thing on my car. If the key doesn't fit, the immobiliser stays on, and the engine doesn't start.
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Post #210,210
6/7/05 8:39:51 AM
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what is an immobilizer
it is a device that separates 2 wires and uses a relay to join them when a signal is given, yank the farker out of the way and wire them directly. Alternatively run a wire from the positive cable on the battery directly to the coil and jump the solenoid Im off, yer walking. thanx, bill
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Post #210,211
6/7/05 8:40:45 AM
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Never heard of that.
Can't see it working on any car with electronic ignition, either (controlled by EMU which is connected to immobiliser)
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Post #210,219
6/7/05 9:57:26 AM
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how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire?
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Post #210,237
6/7/05 12:19:46 PM
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Indeed.
Mr EMU starts up, says to Mr Immobiliser "Sir, have we a proper key?"
Mr Immobiliser says, "Why, yes, we do."
Mr EMU says, "That's a good thing. I can't start this here engine without that, you know."
And Mr EMU then proceeds to deign to allow the electronic ignition to start.
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Post #210,241
6/7/05 12:26:30 PM
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and the laguage they speak is called voltage
bypass that sucker in a heartbeat. thanx, bill
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Post #210,243
6/7/05 12:31:22 PM
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Right.
If you can start Bill's car without keys on July 3 then I'll buy you a beer.
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Post #210,245
6/7/05 12:33:20 PM
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is this the widget in question? (new thread)
Created as new thread #210244 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210244|is this the widget in question?]
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Post #210,353
6/7/05 9:02:28 PM
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Don't have one of those.
It's not a high-end car, anyway. And for all I know, the authentication happens between the EFI unit under the bonnet and the key. And the cylinder in the column is probably armoured. And I know it does more than just unlock the steering column because that interlock is actually broken in my car. I have a good idea how electricity works, thank you (I've built things electronic), and can recast at the problem of bypassing the correct key as a security problem. And that class of situation I *am* familiar with.
Look, I'm not really interested in quite how it works because it works well enough. My previous car did not have such a system, nor an armoured cylinder and that led directly to it being a moderately popular model for theft. In the other direction, engine disabling mechanisms have gotten so good that thieves have taken to nicking the keys as well as the car. Sometimes at gun-point.
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