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Post #210,046

by lincoln

6/6/05 1:23:37 PM

Re: Consumer Reports likes them

Those numbers are from Consumer Report subscribers that have answered their annual subscriber survey. Like in any survey, the people who have what they consider to be a problematic car are much more likely to comment about it on a survey. My last American company car was notorious for bad brake systems, and after repairing mine twice in its first 5 years (was purchased new) I made sure to mention it until CU would no longer report on cars that old.

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Post #210,118

by ben_tilly

6/6/05 8:09:50 PM

Means it is even better than advertised. :-)

I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Can I trust this? - (ben_tilly) - (165) - June 5, 2005, 12:11:00 AM EDT

Dunno, but seems pretty low. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:36:33 AM EDT

No trade-in - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:08:30 AM EDT

No - (broomberg) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 01:17:36 AM EDT

Thought not :-) - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:05:18 AM EDT

Can you get a written quote? - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 03:01:07 AM EDT

It is here as well...but there are ways around that... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 03:12:01 AM EDT

Troof. These are CAR DEALERS we're talking about, after all. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 03:22:48 AM EDT

Maybe - - (Ashton) - (8) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:46 AM EDT

Am I being too picky? - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 10:14:53 AM EDT

That depends. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 10:48:26 AM EDT

Right. I just hate spending money. - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:29:02 AM EDT

Re: Right. I just hate spending money. - (Ashton) - June 6, 2005, 05:15:25 AM EDT

Don't do it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:16:08 AM EDT

Good points - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:39 AM EDT

Just be a reasonable alternative - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 11:53:51 AM EDT

Don't choose between sizes based on price. - (Another Scott) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:40 AM EDT

If you are paying cash - (boxley) - (5) - June 5, 2005, 08:11:42 AM EDT

Re: "tell them that you are comparing" - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EDT

I didnt even look at GM even tho I get the discount - (boxley) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:42:18 PM EDT

Better than Fords - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:28 AM EDT

There is a *reason* that GM is desperate - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 02:59:14 PM EDT

No argument there. Last one I owned was a 1980 Citation. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 5, 2005, 10:26:39 PM EDT

Was price quoted on one of the demo models? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:38 AM EDT

Will check on that - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 09:30:01 AM EDT

now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (boxley) - (17) - June 5, 2005, 11:37:56 AM EDT

Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (Yendor) - June 5, 2005, 11:54:17 AM EDT

Kia, not Khia - (broomberg) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 11:56:35 AM EDT

What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 12:26:10 PM EDT

well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 12:39:10 PM EDT

No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -NT - (folkert) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 11:30:56 PM EDT

No you haven't; Alex had it right. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 6, 2005, 03:09:24 AM EDT

My favorite Picker of Nits! -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:12:24 AM EDT

Bah, I bet you say that to *all* the girls! - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2005, 09:45:36 AM EDT

That's a Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 6, 2005, 08:47:23 AM EDT

That's the life span of an American car - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:32 AM EDT

No, and quality matters - (ben_tilly) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 04:12:08 PM EDT

Re: No, and quality matters - (dws) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT

On Hyundai... - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 04:28:55 PM EDT

they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv - (boxley) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 04:34:46 PM EDT

Actually, no - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 05:06:02 PM EDT

Point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 05:20:08 PM EDT

didnt know about the milage, mind changed -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 06:45:04 PM EDT

Probably add local delivery, taxes and tags. - (bepatient) - (71) - June 5, 2005, 04:39:07 PM EDT

And it will never, ever break. - (pwhysall) - (70) - June 5, 2005, 04:42:44 PM EDT

Depends. - (Another Scott) - (66) - June 5, 2005, 05:17:36 PM EDT

Re: Depends. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:46:45 AM EDT

Werd. - (pwhysall) - June 6, 2005, 07:01:40 AM EDT

Sure it's a wheel bearing? - (Steve Lowe) - (63) - June 6, 2005, 04:33:22 PM EDT

Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) - (Ashton) - (60) - June 6, 2005, 05:02:47 PM EDT

Most interesting... - (pwhysall) - (59) - June 6, 2005, 05:07:26 PM EDT

Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? - (CRConrad) - (58) - June 7, 2005, 07:43:22 AM EDT

Dear CRC - (pwhysall) - (51) - June 7, 2005, 08:13:52 AM EDT

I bet he has a really clean house! -NT - (bionerd) - (50) - June 7, 2005, 02:31:43 PM EDT

Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can *you*... - (CRConrad) - (49) - June 8, 2005, 07:49:41 AM EDT

You need to turn up your humor detector. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - June 8, 2005, 08:04:18 AM EDT

Stop being a knobhead, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (37) - June 8, 2005, 08:06:21 AM EDT

He's not he is being CRC so leave him be -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 08:23:26 AM EDT

You first, PeeWee. - (CRConrad) - (35) - June 8, 2005, 08:27:14 AM EDT

Oh, give it a rest, ffs. - (pwhysall) - (34) - June 8, 2005, 08:34:27 AM EDT

Any time. - (CRConrad) - (11) - June 8, 2005, 09:10:40 AM EDT

Re: Any time. - (pwhysall) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:39:56 AM EDT

AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - June 8, 2005, 09:46:19 AM EDT

Yellow flag thrown! - (bepatient) - (5) - June 8, 2005, 10:33:49 AM EDT

Bonus points awarded - (rcareaga) - (2) - June 8, 2005, 11:25:01 AM EDT

Having at WHOM? - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:56:04 PM EDT

I stand corrected - (rcareaga) - June 9, 2005, 12:05:06 AM EDT

Oh, and by the way ... - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 12:20:09 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 12:37:29 PM EDT

No, no, no. - (admin) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 10:52:36 AM EDT

ROFL! - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:03:42 AM EDT

And there we are. - (mmoffitt) - June 8, 2005, 12:35:35 PM EDT

Normal usage? Not here. - (ben_tilly) - (21) - June 8, 2005, 02:01:53 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT

So I guess... - (admin) - (19) - June 8, 2005, 03:14:33 PM EDT

Furlongs -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:16:47 PM EDT

no. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 03:29:43 PM EDT

You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:23:04 PM EDT

Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? -NT - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 03:28:23 PM EDT

thats knot a good measurement -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 03:38:51 PM EDT

Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards - (ben_tilly) - (13) - June 8, 2005, 05:17:34 PM EDT

I had it backwards, actually. - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:25:42 PM EDT

what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 05:51:31 PM EDT

Confused? No. - (admin) - (10) - June 8, 2005, 05:57:10 PM EDT

Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? - (CRConrad) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:51 PM EDT

It's called "hyperbole". HTH! -NT - (admin) - (8) - June 8, 2005, 06:30:11 PM EDT

OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! - (CRConrad) - (7) - June 9, 2005, 03:35:09 AM EDT

Whatever gets you through the day. - (admin) - (6) - June 9, 2005, 08:15:55 AM EDT

I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... - (CRConrad) - (5) - June 9, 2005, 09:37:02 AM EDT

Ha, nice try. - (admin) - (4) - June 9, 2005, 10:05:27 AM EDT

Not even a "nice try" from you, though. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 9, 2005, 02:55:56 PM EDT

Sorry, not my conversation, yours. -NT - (admin) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 04:14:30 PM EDT

Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 02:38:21 AM EDT

No, you mistake my meaning. - (admin) - June 10, 2005, 08:22:40 AM EDT

Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about - (bionerd) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:56:51 AM EDT

... - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 10:53:33 AM EDT

You keep coming back to that. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 11:04:04 AM EDT

Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:05:07 AM EDT

Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you? -NT - (bionerd) - (4) - June 8, 2005, 11:51:16 AM EDT

They're sure basking in something! - (Nightowl) - June 8, 2005, 11:58:10 AM EDT

Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted. -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:44:30 PM EDT

poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective - (boxley) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:39 PM EDT

If you've got... - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 06:13:58 PM EDT

OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :) -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:47:38 PM EDT

Oh *absolutely* gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us -NT - (drewk) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:26:31 AM EDT

ICLFRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 09:49:41 AM EDT

Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:18 AM EDT

nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same -NT - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 02:14:07 PM EDT

Not so - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:39 AM EDT

Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 7, 2005, 02:33:16 PM EDT

It seems like a wheel bearing. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:07:15 PM EDT

The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - June 11, 2005, 08:06:48 PM EDT

Consumer Reports likes them - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 06:02:07 PM EDT

Re: Consumer Reports likes them - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:23:37 PM EDT

Means it is even better than advertised. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:09:50 PM EDT

Internet/Fleet sales is the way to go - (tonytib) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:28 PM EDT

that's how I bought my '96 Nissan Altima - (cforde) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:12:51 AM EDT

'96 Nissan Altima - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:52:34 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - June 6, 2005, 04:24:35 PM EDT

Over here, one avoids ex-fleet cars like t'plague. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:47 AM EDT

Please read more carefully - (tonytib) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:29:57 PM EDT

Over here... - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:28:32 AM EDT

Some things I saw. - (static) - June 5, 2005, 11:07:04 PM EDT

It looks like I can trust it (is LoJack worthwhile?) - (ben_tilly) - (34) - June 5, 2005, 11:20:26 PM EDT

Yes. Do you know what it is/does? -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:28:39 PM EDT

I know what it is/does - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:02 PM EDT

Do you know of anyone out there that's had a car stolen? - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 11:39:47 PM EDT

This *IS* Los Angeles - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:48:29 PM EDT

It does happen. - (admin) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:43:45 AM EDT

Had my new '87 'stang stolen... - (folkert) - June 6, 2005, 04:40:27 PM EDT

Take it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:06 PM EDT

I believe there is no sticker with LoJack - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:44:58 PM EDT

If professional thieves get it, it won't matter -NT - (drewk) - June 5, 2005, 11:47:57 PM EDT

I *would* have said yes, but look at the insurance company - (drewk) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:46:19 PM EDT

Yabut, there is a twist - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:52:57 PM EDT

Aren't taxes computed on the before rebate price? -NT - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:43 PM EDT

Yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:10:13 PM EDT

If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:46 AM EDT

How odd all this is. - (pwhysall) - (19) - June 6, 2005, 05:38:49 PM EDT

if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler - (boxley) - (15) - June 6, 2005, 06:11:47 PM EDT

Slide hammer is faster than a drill. -NT - (hnick) - June 6, 2005, 06:25:09 PM EDT

Pair of scissors - (rcareaga) - June 6, 2005, 06:32:35 PM EDT

OK. You're in. Now start it. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:29:47 AM EDT

Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. - (static) - (11) - June 7, 2005, 02:39:32 AM EDT

That's certainly the case for my car. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:53:35 AM EDT

cant press the valet button? - (boxley) - (9) - June 7, 2005, 08:31:47 AM EDT

"Valet button"? - (pwhysall) - (7) - June 7, 2005, 08:35:42 AM EDT

what is an immobilizer - (boxley) - (6) - June 7, 2005, 08:39:51 AM EDT

Never heard of that. - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 7, 2005, 08:40:45 AM EDT

how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:57:26 AM EDT

Indeed. - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 7, 2005, 12:19:46 PM EDT

and the laguage they speak is called voltage - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 12:26:30 PM EDT

Right. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 12:31:22 PM EDT

is this the widget in question? (new thread) - (boxley) - June 7, 2005, 12:33:20 PM EDT

Don't have one of those. - (static) - June 7, 2005, 09:02:28 PM EDT

Arse 1! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:18 AM EDT

Arse 2! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:39 AM EDT

Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:59:33 AM EDT

Purchased - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 6, 2005, 09:16:17 PM EDT

Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott) - June 6, 2005, 08:35:53 PM EDT

car dealers never lose :-) - (boxley) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 09:18:17 PM EDT

He lost according to Toyota's figures - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:48:01 PM EDT

Re: He lost according to Toyota's figures - (dws) - June 6, 2005, 10:46:31 PM EDT

suggestion.. - (cforde) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 03:02:31 AM EDT

I'll definitely think about that - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:15 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:28 PM EDT

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