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Post #209,945

by ben_tilly

6/5/05 5:20:08 PM

Point

Still the depreciation is very high, meaning that people don't expect them to last. Plus the gas mileage sucks. At current prices I'd expect to add $2000 in gas over the next 4 years.

Looking further, the Consumer Report questions the safety of the car, I don't like their descriptions of the ride, and for several models there are repeated comments about the problems that large people have finding a comfortable driving position.

Cheers,
Ben

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Post #209,949

by boxley

6/5/05 6:45:04 PM

didnt know about the milage, mind changed

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Can I trust this? - (ben_tilly) - (165) - June 5, 2005, 12:11:00 AM EDT

Dunno, but seems pretty low. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:36:33 AM EDT

No trade-in - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:08:30 AM EDT

No - (broomberg) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 01:17:36 AM EDT

Thought not :-) - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:05:18 AM EDT

Can you get a written quote? - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 03:01:07 AM EDT

It is here as well...but there are ways around that... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 03:12:01 AM EDT

Troof. These are CAR DEALERS we're talking about, after all. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 03:22:48 AM EDT

Maybe - - (Ashton) - (8) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:46 AM EDT

Am I being too picky? - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 10:14:53 AM EDT

That depends. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 10:48:26 AM EDT

Right. I just hate spending money. - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:29:02 AM EDT

Re: Right. I just hate spending money. - (Ashton) - June 6, 2005, 05:15:25 AM EDT

Don't do it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:16:08 AM EDT

Good points - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:39 AM EDT

Just be a reasonable alternative - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 11:53:51 AM EDT

Don't choose between sizes based on price. - (Another Scott) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:40 AM EDT

If you are paying cash - (boxley) - (5) - June 5, 2005, 08:11:42 AM EDT

Re: "tell them that you are comparing" - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EDT

I didnt even look at GM even tho I get the discount - (boxley) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:42:18 PM EDT

Better than Fords - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:28 AM EDT

There is a *reason* that GM is desperate - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 02:59:14 PM EDT

No argument there. Last one I owned was a 1980 Citation. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 5, 2005, 10:26:39 PM EDT

Was price quoted on one of the demo models? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:38 AM EDT

Will check on that - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 09:30:01 AM EDT

now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (boxley) - (17) - June 5, 2005, 11:37:56 AM EDT

Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (Yendor) - June 5, 2005, 11:54:17 AM EDT

Kia, not Khia - (broomberg) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 11:56:35 AM EDT

What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 12:26:10 PM EDT

well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 12:39:10 PM EDT

No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -NT - (folkert) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 11:30:56 PM EDT

No you haven't; Alex had it right. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 6, 2005, 03:09:24 AM EDT

My favorite Picker of Nits! -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:12:24 AM EDT

Bah, I bet you say that to *all* the girls! - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2005, 09:45:36 AM EDT

That's a Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 6, 2005, 08:47:23 AM EDT

That's the life span of an American car - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:32 AM EDT

No, and quality matters - (ben_tilly) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 04:12:08 PM EDT

Re: No, and quality matters - (dws) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT

On Hyundai... - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 04:28:55 PM EDT

they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv - (boxley) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 04:34:46 PM EDT

Actually, no - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 05:06:02 PM EDT

Point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 05:20:08 PM EDT

didnt know about the milage, mind changed -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 06:45:04 PM EDT

Probably add local delivery, taxes and tags. - (bepatient) - (71) - June 5, 2005, 04:39:07 PM EDT

And it will never, ever break. - (pwhysall) - (70) - June 5, 2005, 04:42:44 PM EDT

Depends. - (Another Scott) - (66) - June 5, 2005, 05:17:36 PM EDT

Re: Depends. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:46:45 AM EDT

Werd. - (pwhysall) - June 6, 2005, 07:01:40 AM EDT

Sure it's a wheel bearing? - (Steve Lowe) - (63) - June 6, 2005, 04:33:22 PM EDT

Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) - (Ashton) - (60) - June 6, 2005, 05:02:47 PM EDT

Most interesting... - (pwhysall) - (59) - June 6, 2005, 05:07:26 PM EDT

Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? - (CRConrad) - (58) - June 7, 2005, 07:43:22 AM EDT

Dear CRC - (pwhysall) - (51) - June 7, 2005, 08:13:52 AM EDT

I bet he has a really clean house! -NT - (bionerd) - (50) - June 7, 2005, 02:31:43 PM EDT

Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can *you*... - (CRConrad) - (49) - June 8, 2005, 07:49:41 AM EDT

You need to turn up your humor detector. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - June 8, 2005, 08:04:18 AM EDT

Stop being a knobhead, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (37) - June 8, 2005, 08:06:21 AM EDT

He's not he is being CRC so leave him be -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 08:23:26 AM EDT

You first, PeeWee. - (CRConrad) - (35) - June 8, 2005, 08:27:14 AM EDT

Oh, give it a rest, ffs. - (pwhysall) - (34) - June 8, 2005, 08:34:27 AM EDT

Any time. - (CRConrad) - (11) - June 8, 2005, 09:10:40 AM EDT

Re: Any time. - (pwhysall) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:39:56 AM EDT

AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - June 8, 2005, 09:46:19 AM EDT

Yellow flag thrown! - (bepatient) - (5) - June 8, 2005, 10:33:49 AM EDT

Bonus points awarded - (rcareaga) - (2) - June 8, 2005, 11:25:01 AM EDT

Having at WHOM? - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:56:04 PM EDT

I stand corrected - (rcareaga) - June 9, 2005, 12:05:06 AM EDT

Oh, and by the way ... - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 12:20:09 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 12:37:29 PM EDT

No, no, no. - (admin) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 10:52:36 AM EDT

ROFL! - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:03:42 AM EDT

And there we are. - (mmoffitt) - June 8, 2005, 12:35:35 PM EDT

Normal usage? Not here. - (ben_tilly) - (21) - June 8, 2005, 02:01:53 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT

So I guess... - (admin) - (19) - June 8, 2005, 03:14:33 PM EDT

Furlongs -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:16:47 PM EDT

no. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 03:29:43 PM EDT

You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:23:04 PM EDT

Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? -NT - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 03:28:23 PM EDT

thats knot a good measurement -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 03:38:51 PM EDT

Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards - (ben_tilly) - (13) - June 8, 2005, 05:17:34 PM EDT

I had it backwards, actually. - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:25:42 PM EDT

what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 05:51:31 PM EDT

Confused? No. - (admin) - (10) - June 8, 2005, 05:57:10 PM EDT

Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? - (CRConrad) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:51 PM EDT

It's called "hyperbole". HTH! -NT - (admin) - (8) - June 8, 2005, 06:30:11 PM EDT

OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! - (CRConrad) - (7) - June 9, 2005, 03:35:09 AM EDT

Whatever gets you through the day. - (admin) - (6) - June 9, 2005, 08:15:55 AM EDT

I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... - (CRConrad) - (5) - June 9, 2005, 09:37:02 AM EDT

Ha, nice try. - (admin) - (4) - June 9, 2005, 10:05:27 AM EDT

Not even a "nice try" from you, though. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 9, 2005, 02:55:56 PM EDT

Sorry, not my conversation, yours. -NT - (admin) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 04:14:30 PM EDT

Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 02:38:21 AM EDT

No, you mistake my meaning. - (admin) - June 10, 2005, 08:22:40 AM EDT

Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about - (bionerd) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:56:51 AM EDT

... - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 10:53:33 AM EDT

You keep coming back to that. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 11:04:04 AM EDT

Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:05:07 AM EDT

Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you? -NT - (bionerd) - (4) - June 8, 2005, 11:51:16 AM EDT

They're sure basking in something! - (Nightowl) - June 8, 2005, 11:58:10 AM EDT

Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted. -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:44:30 PM EDT

poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective - (boxley) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:39 PM EDT

If you've got... - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 06:13:58 PM EDT

OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :) -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:47:38 PM EDT

Oh *absolutely* gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us -NT - (drewk) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:26:31 AM EDT

ICLFRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 09:49:41 AM EDT

Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:18 AM EDT

nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same -NT - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 02:14:07 PM EDT

Not so - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:39 AM EDT

Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 7, 2005, 02:33:16 PM EDT

It seems like a wheel bearing. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:07:15 PM EDT

The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - June 11, 2005, 08:06:48 PM EDT

Consumer Reports likes them - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 06:02:07 PM EDT

Re: Consumer Reports likes them - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:23:37 PM EDT

Means it is even better than advertised. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:09:50 PM EDT

Internet/Fleet sales is the way to go - (tonytib) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:28 PM EDT

that's how I bought my '96 Nissan Altima - (cforde) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:12:51 AM EDT

'96 Nissan Altima - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:52:34 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - June 6, 2005, 04:24:35 PM EDT

Over here, one avoids ex-fleet cars like t'plague. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:47 AM EDT

Please read more carefully - (tonytib) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:29:57 PM EDT

Over here... - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:28:32 AM EDT

Some things I saw. - (static) - June 5, 2005, 11:07:04 PM EDT

It looks like I can trust it (is LoJack worthwhile?) - (ben_tilly) - (34) - June 5, 2005, 11:20:26 PM EDT

Yes. Do you know what it is/does? -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:28:39 PM EDT

I know what it is/does - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:02 PM EDT

Do you know of anyone out there that's had a car stolen? - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 11:39:47 PM EDT

This *IS* Los Angeles - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:48:29 PM EDT

It does happen. - (admin) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:43:45 AM EDT

Had my new '87 'stang stolen... - (folkert) - June 6, 2005, 04:40:27 PM EDT

Take it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:06 PM EDT

I believe there is no sticker with LoJack - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:44:58 PM EDT

If professional thieves get it, it won't matter -NT - (drewk) - June 5, 2005, 11:47:57 PM EDT

I *would* have said yes, but look at the insurance company - (drewk) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:46:19 PM EDT

Yabut, there is a twist - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:52:57 PM EDT

Aren't taxes computed on the before rebate price? -NT - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:43 PM EDT

Yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:10:13 PM EDT

If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:46 AM EDT

How odd all this is. - (pwhysall) - (19) - June 6, 2005, 05:38:49 PM EDT

if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler - (boxley) - (15) - June 6, 2005, 06:11:47 PM EDT

Slide hammer is faster than a drill. -NT - (hnick) - June 6, 2005, 06:25:09 PM EDT

Pair of scissors - (rcareaga) - June 6, 2005, 06:32:35 PM EDT

OK. You're in. Now start it. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:29:47 AM EDT

Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. - (static) - (11) - June 7, 2005, 02:39:32 AM EDT

That's certainly the case for my car. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:53:35 AM EDT

cant press the valet button? - (boxley) - (9) - June 7, 2005, 08:31:47 AM EDT

"Valet button"? - (pwhysall) - (7) - June 7, 2005, 08:35:42 AM EDT

what is an immobilizer - (boxley) - (6) - June 7, 2005, 08:39:51 AM EDT

Never heard of that. - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 7, 2005, 08:40:45 AM EDT

how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:57:26 AM EDT

Indeed. - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 7, 2005, 12:19:46 PM EDT

and the laguage they speak is called voltage - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 12:26:30 PM EDT

Right. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 12:31:22 PM EDT

is this the widget in question? (new thread) - (boxley) - June 7, 2005, 12:33:20 PM EDT

Don't have one of those. - (static) - June 7, 2005, 09:02:28 PM EDT

Arse 1! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:18 AM EDT

Arse 2! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:39 AM EDT

Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:59:33 AM EDT

Purchased - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 6, 2005, 09:16:17 PM EDT

Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott) - June 6, 2005, 08:35:53 PM EDT

car dealers never lose :-) - (boxley) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 09:18:17 PM EDT

He lost according to Toyota's figures - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:48:01 PM EDT

Re: He lost according to Toyota's figures - (dws) - June 6, 2005, 10:46:31 PM EDT

suggestion.. - (cforde) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 03:02:31 AM EDT

I'll definitely think about that - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:15 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:28 PM EDT

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