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New No, and quality matters
10 year, 100K miles? In my family cars last longer than that. Heck, I expect to put over 60,000 miles on the car in the next 4 years. Buying a new car is painful enough, buying a new car expecting to not be able to use it a while is insane.

Point of comparison. In my life, I'm only aware of one car that my mother purchased which didn't go over 10 years and 100K miles. The significant detail that killed that Toyota was my brother rolling it over a 15' cliff.

Another point of comparison. The other car we have is 8 years and 110,000 miles right now. We expect to get several more years of use out of it.

I hadn't considered a Kia, and I don't think that I'm about to start.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Re: No, and quality matters
FWIW, my Dad's side of the family is in the automotive business, having at points run a Ford and a Toyota dealership. A couple of months back I asked my Dad what I should look at next car-wise, and he said Toyota or Hyundai. He thinks Hyundai is coming up strong on the outside, paying a lot of attention to quality. Like Toyota, they had a poor initial reputation, but they're working their way out of it quickly.

And no matter what you do, you maximum point of leverage as a buyer is in the last few days of the month.
Expand Edited by dws June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT
New On Hyundai...
...word on the street is that the Accent is a minging pile of shit, while the Coupe isn't at all bad.


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New they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv
repairs during the period. Which means they think their car is sound. When I say 100k miles I am refering to what is called in the auto auction is exceeding the mechanical life of the car. All cars have an extremely low value once they hit the magic 100k. Now a nissan sentra will travel a long way, the one I had had 200K plus but I dont know how you would feel about the seating, they are small.
thanx,
bill
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New Actually, no
Long warrantees are deemed a marketing expense.
The actual use of them is accounted for out of the marketing budget.

New Point
Still the depreciation is very high, meaning that people don't expect them to last. Plus the gas mileage sucks. At current prices I'd expect to add $2000 in gas over the next 4 years.

Looking further, the Consumer Report questions the safety of the car, I don't like their descriptions of the ride, and for several models there are repeated comments about the problems that large people have finding a comfortable driving position.

Cheers,
Ben
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New didnt know about the milage, mind changed
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     Can I trust this? - (ben_tilly) - (165)
         Dunno, but seems pretty low. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             No trade-in - (ben_tilly)
         No - (broomberg) - (1)
             Thought not :-) - (ben_tilly)
         Can you get a written quote? - (pwhysall) - (2)
             It is here as well...but there are ways around that... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                 Troof. These are CAR DEALERS we're talking about, after all. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Maybe - - (Ashton) - (8)
             Am I being too picky? - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                 That depends. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     Right. I just hate spending money. - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         Re: Right. I just hate spending money. - (Ashton)
                 Don't do it - (broomberg) - (2)
                     Good points - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         Just be a reasonable alternative - (broomberg)
                 Don't choose between sizes based on price. - (Another Scott)
         If you are paying cash - (boxley) - (5)
             Re: "tell them that you are comparing" - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                 I didnt even look at GM even tho I get the discount - (boxley) - (1)
                     Better than Fords - (tuberculosis)
                 There is a *reason* that GM is desperate - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     No argument there. Last one I owned was a 1980 Citation. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         Was price quoted on one of the demo models? - (jbrabeck) - (1)
             Will check on that - (ben_tilly)
         now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (boxley) - (17)
             Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (Yendor)
             Kia, not Khia - (broomberg) - (7)
                 What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6)
                     well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) -NT - (boxley)
                     No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -NT - (folkert) - (4)
                         No you haven't; Alex had it right. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             My favorite Picker of Nits! -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                                 Bah, I bet you say that to *all* the girls! - (CRConrad)
                             That's a Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             That's the life span of an American car - (tuberculosis)
             No, and quality matters - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                 Re: No, and quality matters - (dws) - (1)
                     On Hyundai... - (pwhysall)
                 they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv - (boxley) - (3)
                     Actually, no - (broomberg)
                     Point - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         didnt know about the milage, mind changed -NT - (boxley)
         Probably add local delivery, taxes and tags. - (bepatient) - (71)
             And it will never, ever break. - (pwhysall) - (70)
                 Depends. - (Another Scott) - (66)
                     Re: Depends. - (Ashton) - (1)
                         Werd. - (pwhysall)
                     Sure it's a wheel bearing? - (Steve Lowe) - (63)
                         Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) - (Ashton) - (60)
                             Most interesting... - (pwhysall) - (59)
                                 Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? - (CRConrad) - (58)
                                     Dear CRC - (pwhysall) - (51)
                                         I bet he has a really clean house! -NT - (bionerd) - (50)
                                             Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can *you*... - (CRConrad) - (49)
                                                 You need to turn up your humor detector. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                 Stop being a knobhead, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (37)
                                                     He's not he is being CRC so leave him be -NT - (boxley)
                                                     You first, PeeWee. - (CRConrad) - (35)
                                                         Oh, give it a rest, ffs. - (pwhysall) - (34)
                                                             Any time. - (CRConrad) - (11)
                                                                 Re: Any time. - (pwhysall) - (9)
                                                                     AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6)
                                                                         Yellow flag thrown! - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                             Bonus points awarded - (rcareaga) - (2)
                                                                                 Having at WHOM? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                                     I stand corrected - (rcareaga)
                                                                             Oh, and by the way ... - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley)
                                                                     No, no, no. - (admin) - (1)
                                                                         ROFL! - (folkert)
                                                                 And there we are. - (mmoffitt)
                                                             Normal usage? Not here. - (ben_tilly) - (21)
                                                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (CRConrad)
                                                                 So I guess... - (admin) - (19)
                                                                     Furlongs -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                         no. - (pwhysall)
                                                                     You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? -NT - (admin)
                                                                     thats knot a good measurement -NT - (boxley)
                                                                     Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                                         I had it backwards, actually. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                             what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? -NT - (boxley)
                                                                         Confused? No. - (admin) - (10)
                                                                             Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                                                                 It's called "hyperbole". HTH! -NT - (admin) - (8)
                                                                                     OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                                                                         Whatever gets you through the day. - (admin) - (6)
                                                                                             I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                                                                 Ha, nice try. - (admin) - (4)
                                                                                                     Not even a "nice try" from you, though. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                                                                         Sorry, not my conversation, yours. -NT - (admin) - (2)
                                                                                                             Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                                                                 No, you mistake my meaning. - (admin)
                                                 Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about - (bionerd) - (9)
                                                     ... - (admin)
                                                     You keep coming back to that. - (pwhysall)
                                                     Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm - (folkert)
                                                     Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you? -NT - (bionerd) - (4)
                                                         They're sure basking in something! - (Nightowl)
                                                         Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted. -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                         poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective - (boxley) - (1)
                                                             If you've got... - (pwhysall)
                                                     OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :) -NT - (CRConrad)
                                     Oh *absolutely* gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us -NT - (drewk) - (4)
                                         ICLFRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall)
                                         Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                             nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 Not so - (tuberculosis)
                                     Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road -NT - (ben_tilly)
                         It seems like a wheel bearing. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                 Consumer Reports likes them - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Re: Consumer Reports likes them - (lincoln) - (1)
                         Means it is even better than advertised. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly)
         Internet/Fleet sales is the way to go - (tonytib) - (6)
             that's how I bought my '96 Nissan Altima - (cforde) - (2)
                 '96 Nissan Altima - (Ashton) - (1)
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe)
             Over here, one avoids ex-fleet cars like t'plague. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 Please read more carefully - (tonytib) - (1)
                     Over here... - (pwhysall)
         Some things I saw. - (static)
         It looks like I can trust it (is LoJack worthwhile?) - (ben_tilly) - (34)
             Yes. Do you know what it is/does? -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                 I know what it is/does - (ben_tilly)
             Do you know of anyone out there that's had a car stolen? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 This *IS* Los Angeles - (ben_tilly)
                 It does happen. - (admin) - (1)
                     Had my new '87 'stang stolen... - (folkert)
             Take it - (broomberg) - (2)
                 I believe there is no sticker with LoJack - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     If professional thieves get it, it won't matter -NT - (drewk)
             I *would* have said yes, but look at the insurance company - (drewk) - (1)
                 Yabut, there is a twist - (ben_tilly)
             Aren't taxes computed on the before rebate price? -NT - (lincoln) - (1)
                 Yes. -NT - (ben_tilly)
             If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it - (tuberculosis) - (20)
                 How odd all this is. - (pwhysall) - (19)
                     if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler - (boxley) - (15)
                         Slide hammer is faster than a drill. -NT - (hnick)
                         Pair of scissors - (rcareaga)
                         OK. You're in. Now start it. - (pwhysall)
                         Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. - (static) - (11)
                             That's certainly the case for my car. -NT - (pwhysall)
                             cant press the valet button? - (boxley) - (9)
                                 "Valet button"? - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                     what is an immobilizer - (boxley) - (6)
                                         Never heard of that. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                             how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                 Indeed. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                     and the laguage they speak is called voltage - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         Right. - (pwhysall)
                                                     is this the widget in question? (new thread) - (boxley)
                                 Don't have one of those. - (static)
                     Arse 1! -NT - (pwhysall)
                     Arse 2! -NT - (pwhysall)
                     Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread) - (pwhysall)
         Purchased - (ben_tilly) - (7)
             Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott)
             car dealers never lose :-) - (boxley) - (2)
                 He lost according to Toyota's figures - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     Re: He lost according to Toyota's figures - (dws)
             suggestion.. - (cforde) - (2)
                 I'll definitely think about that - (ben_tilly)
                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)

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