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Post #209,913 by boxley 6/5/05 11:37:56 AM Reply	now have you looked at khia's more car less price and I dont care about what people say about quality, a 100k mile 10 year warranty is the life of a car so repair bills down the road dont figure into the equation. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #209,915 by Yendor 6/5/05 11:54:17 AM Reply	Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price and I dont care about what people say about quality, a 100k mile 10 year warranty is the life of a car so repair bills down the road dont figure into the equation. I've got a 7-year-old Honda Accord that is at 99k miles, and which I fully expect to last at least another 7-10 years (barring any unforeseen circumstances.) 100k/10 years is only the life of the car if you intend on putting a good car out to pasture early. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #209,916 by broomberg 6/5/05 11:56:35 AM Reply	Kia, not Khia We have the Sorrento. We like it. A lot. Back seat fits Ben. He's over 6'. That is why we bought it, as compared to the alternatives.
Post #209,918 by a6l6e6x 6/5/05 12:26:10 PM Reply	What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #209,919 by boxley 6/5/05 12:39:10 PM Reply	well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #209,979 by folkert 6/5/05 11:30:56 PM Reply	No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #209,999 by CRConrad 6/6/05 3:09:24 AM Reply	No you haven't; Alex had it right. (Well, apart from his intentional G-K switch to make Ghia fit with "Khia".) It's [link\|http://www.karmann.com\|Karmann], not "Kar~~men~~". HTH! :-) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,012 by folkert 6/6/05 7:12:24 AM Reply	My favorite Picker of Nits! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #210,019 by CRConrad 6/6/05 9:45:36 AM Reply	Bah, I bet you say that to all the girls! Or, you only say that because I'm your only Picker of Nits. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,014 by a6l6e6x 6/6/05 8:47:23 AM Reply	That's a Bingo! Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #209,926 by tuberculosis 6/5/05 1:06:21 PM 8/21/07 6:05:32 AM Reply	That's the life span of an American car Swedish cars last at least twice that long. Basing this on a couple Saabs and my current ebay special Volvo ($1700 + $1000 for brakes and ball joints) - 190k miles - expect at least 50k more miles. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:32 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #209,930 by ben_tilly 6/5/05 4:12:08 PM Reply	No, and quality matters 10 year, 100K miles? In my family cars last longer than that. Heck, I expect to put over 60,000 miles on the car in the next 4 years. Buying a new car is painful enough, buying a new car expecting to not be able to use it a while is insane. Point of comparison. In my life, I'm only aware of one car that my mother purchased which didn't go over 10 years and 100K miles. The significant detail that killed that Toyota was my brother rolling it over a 15' cliff. Another point of comparison. The other car we have is 8 years and 110,000 miles right now. We expect to get several more years of use out of it. I hadn't considered a Kia, and I don't think that I'm about to start. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #209,931 by dws 6/5/05 4:21:06 PM 6/5/05 4:22:04 PM Reply	Re: No, and quality matters FWIW, my Dad's side of the family is in the automotive business, having at points run a Ford and a Toyota dealership. A couple of months back I asked my Dad what I should look at next car-wise, and he said Toyota or Hyundai. He thinks Hyundai is coming up strong on the outside, paying a lot of attention to quality. Like Toyota, they had a poor initial reputation, but they're working their way out of it quickly. And no matter what you do, you maximum point of leverage as a buyer is in the last few days of the month. Edited by dws June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #209,933 by pwhysall 6/5/05 4:28:55 PM Reply	On Hyundai... ...word on the street is that the Accent is a minging pile of shit, while the Coupe isn't at all bad. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #209,937 by boxley 6/5/05 4:34:46 PM Reply	they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv repairs during the period. Which means they think their car is sound. When I say 100k miles I am refering to what is called in the auto auction is exceeding the mechanical life of the car. All cars have an extremely low value once they hit the magic 100k. Now a nissan sentra will travel a long way, the one I had had 200K plus but I dont know how you would feel about the seating, they are small. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #209,942 by broomberg 6/5/05 5:06:02 PM Reply	Actually, no Long warrantees are deemed a marketing expense. The actual use of them is accounted for out of the marketing budget.
Post #209,945 by ben_tilly 6/5/05 5:20:08 PM Reply	Point Still the depreciation is very high, meaning that people don't expect them to last. Plus the gas mileage sucks. At current prices I'd expect to add $2000 in gas over the next 4 years. Looking further, the Consumer Report questions the safety of the car, I don't like their descriptions of the ride, and for several models there are repeated comments about the problems that large people have finding a comfortable driving position. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #209,949 by boxley 6/5/05 6:45:04 PM Reply	didnt know about the milage, mind changed All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

Can I trust this? - (ben_tilly) - (165) - June 5, 2005, 12:11:00 AM EDT

Dunno, but seems pretty low. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:36:33 AM EDT

No trade-in - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:08:30 AM EDT

No - (broomberg) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 01:17:36 AM EDT

Thought not :-) - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:05:18 AM EDT

Can you get a written quote? - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 03:01:07 AM EDT

It is here as well...but there are ways around that... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 03:12:01 AM EDT

Troof. These are CAR DEALERS we're talking about, after all. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 03:22:48 AM EDT

Maybe - - (Ashton) - (8) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:46 AM EDT

Am I being too picky? - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 10:14:53 AM EDT

That depends. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 10:48:26 AM EDT

Right. I just hate spending money. - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:29:02 AM EDT

Re: Right. I just hate spending money. - (Ashton) - June 6, 2005, 05:15:25 AM EDT

Don't do it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:16:08 AM EDT

Good points - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:39 AM EDT

Just be a reasonable alternative - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 11:53:51 AM EDT

Don't choose between sizes based on price. - (Another Scott) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:40 AM EDT

If you are paying cash - (boxley) - (5) - June 5, 2005, 08:11:42 AM EDT

Re: "tell them that you are comparing" - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EDT

I didnt even look at GM even tho I get the discount - (boxley) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:42:18 PM EDT

Better than Fords - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:28 AM EDT

There is a *reason* that GM is desperate - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 02:59:14 PM EDT

No argument there. Last one I owned was a 1980 Citation. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 5, 2005, 10:26:39 PM EDT

Was price quoted on one of the demo models? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:38 AM EDT

Will check on that - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 09:30:01 AM EDT

now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (boxley) - (17) - June 5, 2005, 11:37:56 AM EDT

Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (Yendor) - June 5, 2005, 11:54:17 AM EDT

Kia, not Khia - (broomberg) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 11:56:35 AM EDT

What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 12:26:10 PM EDT

well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 12:39:10 PM EDT

No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -NT - (folkert) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 11:30:56 PM EDT

No you haven't; Alex had it right. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 6, 2005, 03:09:24 AM EDT

My favorite Picker of Nits! -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:12:24 AM EDT

Bah, I bet you say that to *all* the girls! - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2005, 09:45:36 AM EDT

That's a Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 6, 2005, 08:47:23 AM EDT

That's the life span of an American car - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:32 AM EDT

No, and quality matters - (ben_tilly) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 04:12:08 PM EDT

Re: No, and quality matters - (dws) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT

On Hyundai... - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 04:28:55 PM EDT

they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv - (boxley) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 04:34:46 PM EDT

Actually, no - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 05:06:02 PM EDT

Point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 05:20:08 PM EDT

didnt know about the milage, mind changed -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 06:45:04 PM EDT

Probably add local delivery, taxes and tags. - (bepatient) - (71) - June 5, 2005, 04:39:07 PM EDT

And it will never, ever break. - (pwhysall) - (70) - June 5, 2005, 04:42:44 PM EDT

Depends. - (Another Scott) - (66) - June 5, 2005, 05:17:36 PM EDT

Re: Depends. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:46:45 AM EDT

Werd. - (pwhysall) - June 6, 2005, 07:01:40 AM EDT

Sure it's a wheel bearing? - (Steve Lowe) - (63) - June 6, 2005, 04:33:22 PM EDT

Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) - (Ashton) - (60) - June 6, 2005, 05:02:47 PM EDT

Most interesting... - (pwhysall) - (59) - June 6, 2005, 05:07:26 PM EDT

Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? - (CRConrad) - (58) - June 7, 2005, 07:43:22 AM EDT

Dear CRC - (pwhysall) - (51) - June 7, 2005, 08:13:52 AM EDT

I bet he has a really clean house! -NT - (bionerd) - (50) - June 7, 2005, 02:31:43 PM EDT

Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can *you*... - (CRConrad) - (49) - June 8, 2005, 07:49:41 AM EDT

You need to turn up your humor detector. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - June 8, 2005, 08:04:18 AM EDT

Stop being a knobhead, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (37) - June 8, 2005, 08:06:21 AM EDT

He's not he is being CRC so leave him be -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 08:23:26 AM EDT

You first, PeeWee. - (CRConrad) - (35) - June 8, 2005, 08:27:14 AM EDT

Oh, give it a rest, ffs. - (pwhysall) - (34) - June 8, 2005, 08:34:27 AM EDT

Any time. - (CRConrad) - (11) - June 8, 2005, 09:10:40 AM EDT

Re: Any time. - (pwhysall) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:39:56 AM EDT

AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - June 8, 2005, 09:46:19 AM EDT

Yellow flag thrown! - (bepatient) - (5) - June 8, 2005, 10:33:49 AM EDT

Bonus points awarded - (rcareaga) - (2) - June 8, 2005, 11:25:01 AM EDT

Having at WHOM? - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:56:04 PM EDT

I stand corrected - (rcareaga) - June 9, 2005, 12:05:06 AM EDT

Oh, and by the way ... - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 12:20:09 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 12:37:29 PM EDT

No, no, no. - (admin) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 10:52:36 AM EDT

ROFL! - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:03:42 AM EDT

And there we are. - (mmoffitt) - June 8, 2005, 12:35:35 PM EDT

Normal usage? Not here. - (ben_tilly) - (21) - June 8, 2005, 02:01:53 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT

So I guess... - (admin) - (19) - June 8, 2005, 03:14:33 PM EDT

Furlongs -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:16:47 PM EDT

no. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 03:29:43 PM EDT

You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:23:04 PM EDT

Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? -NT - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 03:28:23 PM EDT

thats knot a good measurement -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 03:38:51 PM EDT

Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards - (ben_tilly) - (13) - June 8, 2005, 05:17:34 PM EDT

I had it backwards, actually. - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:25:42 PM EDT

what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 05:51:31 PM EDT

Confused? No. - (admin) - (10) - June 8, 2005, 05:57:10 PM EDT

Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? - (CRConrad) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:51 PM EDT

It's called "hyperbole". HTH! -NT - (admin) - (8) - June 8, 2005, 06:30:11 PM EDT

OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! - (CRConrad) - (7) - June 9, 2005, 03:35:09 AM EDT

Whatever gets you through the day. - (admin) - (6) - June 9, 2005, 08:15:55 AM EDT

I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... - (CRConrad) - (5) - June 9, 2005, 09:37:02 AM EDT

Ha, nice try. - (admin) - (4) - June 9, 2005, 10:05:27 AM EDT

Not even a "nice try" from you, though. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 9, 2005, 02:55:56 PM EDT

Sorry, not my conversation, yours. -NT - (admin) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 04:14:30 PM EDT

Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 02:38:21 AM EDT

No, you mistake my meaning. - (admin) - June 10, 2005, 08:22:40 AM EDT

Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about - (bionerd) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:56:51 AM EDT

... - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 10:53:33 AM EDT

You keep coming back to that. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 11:04:04 AM EDT

Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:05:07 AM EDT

Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you? -NT - (bionerd) - (4) - June 8, 2005, 11:51:16 AM EDT

They're sure basking in something! - (Nightowl) - June 8, 2005, 11:58:10 AM EDT

Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted. -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:44:30 PM EDT

poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective - (boxley) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:39 PM EDT

If you've got... - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 06:13:58 PM EDT

OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :) -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:47:38 PM EDT

Oh *absolutely* gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us -NT - (drewk) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:26:31 AM EDT

ICLFRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 09:49:41 AM EDT

Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:18 AM EDT

nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same -NT - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 02:14:07 PM EDT

Not so - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:39 AM EDT

Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 7, 2005, 02:33:16 PM EDT

It seems like a wheel bearing. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:07:15 PM EDT

The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - June 11, 2005, 08:06:48 PM EDT

Consumer Reports likes them - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 06:02:07 PM EDT

Re: Consumer Reports likes them - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:23:37 PM EDT

Means it is even better than advertised. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:09:50 PM EDT

Internet/Fleet sales is the way to go - (tonytib) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:28 PM EDT

that's how I bought my '96 Nissan Altima - (cforde) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:12:51 AM EDT

'96 Nissan Altima - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:52:34 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - June 6, 2005, 04:24:35 PM EDT

Over here, one avoids ex-fleet cars like t'plague. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:47 AM EDT

Please read more carefully - (tonytib) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:29:57 PM EDT

Over here... - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:28:32 AM EDT

Some things I saw. - (static) - June 5, 2005, 11:07:04 PM EDT

It looks like I can trust it (is LoJack worthwhile?) - (ben_tilly) - (34) - June 5, 2005, 11:20:26 PM EDT

Yes. Do you know what it is/does? -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:28:39 PM EDT

I know what it is/does - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:02 PM EDT

Do you know of anyone out there that's had a car stolen? - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 11:39:47 PM EDT

This *IS* Los Angeles - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:48:29 PM EDT

It does happen. - (admin) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:43:45 AM EDT

Had my new '87 'stang stolen... - (folkert) - June 6, 2005, 04:40:27 PM EDT

Take it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:06 PM EDT

I believe there is no sticker with LoJack - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:44:58 PM EDT

If professional thieves get it, it won't matter -NT - (drewk) - June 5, 2005, 11:47:57 PM EDT

I *would* have said yes, but look at the insurance company - (drewk) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:46:19 PM EDT

Yabut, there is a twist - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:52:57 PM EDT

Aren't taxes computed on the before rebate price? -NT - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:43 PM EDT

Yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:10:13 PM EDT

If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:46 AM EDT

How odd all this is. - (pwhysall) - (19) - June 6, 2005, 05:38:49 PM EDT

if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler - (boxley) - (15) - June 6, 2005, 06:11:47 PM EDT

Slide hammer is faster than a drill. -NT - (hnick) - June 6, 2005, 06:25:09 PM EDT

Pair of scissors - (rcareaga) - June 6, 2005, 06:32:35 PM EDT

OK. You're in. Now start it. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:29:47 AM EDT

Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. - (static) - (11) - June 7, 2005, 02:39:32 AM EDT

That's certainly the case for my car. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:53:35 AM EDT

cant press the valet button? - (boxley) - (9) - June 7, 2005, 08:31:47 AM EDT

"Valet button"? - (pwhysall) - (7) - June 7, 2005, 08:35:42 AM EDT

what is an immobilizer - (boxley) - (6) - June 7, 2005, 08:39:51 AM EDT

Never heard of that. - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 7, 2005, 08:40:45 AM EDT

how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:57:26 AM EDT

Indeed. - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 7, 2005, 12:19:46 PM EDT

and the laguage they speak is called voltage - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 12:26:30 PM EDT

Right. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 12:31:22 PM EDT

is this the widget in question? (new thread) - (boxley) - June 7, 2005, 12:33:20 PM EDT

Don't have one of those. - (static) - June 7, 2005, 09:02:28 PM EDT

Arse 1! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:18 AM EDT

Arse 2! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:39 AM EDT

Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:59:33 AM EDT

Purchased - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 6, 2005, 09:16:17 PM EDT

Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott) - June 6, 2005, 08:35:53 PM EDT

car dealers never lose :-) - (boxley) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 09:18:17 PM EDT

He lost according to Toyota's figures - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:48:01 PM EDT

Re: He lost according to Toyota's figures - (dws) - June 6, 2005, 10:46:31 PM EDT

suggestion.. - (cforde) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 03:02:31 AM EDT

I'll definitely think about that - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:15 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:28 PM EDT

iwethey.org

How convenient is that??
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