Do not blame the feminists

Post #135,901 by orion 1/15/04 1:30:00 PM Reply	Do not blame the feminists they were not the ones in control of the country or society when the sht hit the fan. They were the ones fighting for equal rights for all women. Somewhere around the 1940's during WWII, women took over jobs that men had in order to build things in factories. You know what? They did such a good job of it that they found they could do just as well as a man could in almost anything else. This empowered women. When the economy started to get worse, the dual-icome family was created to make ends meet. Women had to work or else their families would suffer, what the husband brought in from work could barely buy food or pay the rent anymore. Taking a clue from Rosie the Riviter, women went out to find jobs once again. Organizations were hiring and needed more people, but half the population was not working. All of a sudden women workers filled that need. No longer just Nurses and School Teachers, women filled many jobs. They were empowered and learned to make a living and learn. This makes many men scared. Women are now becoming equals to men. The old boys' network is threatened. So first thing they do is throw some FUD out there and start blaming feminists for everything that the old boys' network is responsible for. Feminists took your jobs, feminists are turning your wives against you, feminists are the cause for your child's behavior problems, feminists are the cause of the bad economy, feminists killed JFK, feminists ruined Enron, and the list of silliness goes on... "Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #135,962 by Ashton 1/15/04 7:23:26 PM Reply	Not bad, Norman Considering that it happened way before your time, too. My fav {gutsy} aunt WAS that Rosie the Riveter - actually Flo(rence). And you are quite correct: their Sterling! performance SCARED THE SHIT outta the ever-so-traditional males, Then and Still. (I recall a detailed analysis of the "wiring up of instrument panels" for bombers.) It was common for there to be NO ERRORS <<< Now that is an area I know something of, the frequent results of "wiring up" of various highly convoluted gadgets, pre-ICs and circuit boards. This work was done almost exclusively by women, many of them grandmothers - thinking of little Johnny flying that plane into harm's way - and their work showed exactly "what motivated" this almost impossible level of consistent performance. No production line planner would ever have believed such yields possible: before Rosie. (Nor would they have believed their efficiency, time-to-perfection.) I too agree that, since 1620 and the #%& Puritans landing to infect the place with their fear-based view of life, and on through slavery and "the little woman" - Rosie! Proved that it wasn't just some theoretical feel-good fantasy re "Womens' Abilities": it became unarguable demonstrated FACT. Women nor MEN ever have forgotten this utter rout of the pop stereotypes of all prior days. Forced lately to emulate the inane male {ergo feudal} hierarchical BS that every 'Office' runs on -- have had to practice that which many women see {I aver} -- is a lousy way of managing people, a stupid method of encouraging say, as much cooperation as competition, yada & yada. Hell, the Sunday Comics echo this theme (perhaps the last bastion of semi-unfettered political speech that is ubiquitous in Murica '04). And, gender aside - everybody here who has offered a vignette of their 'office' - demonstrates the utter shallowness of philosophy of these still male-dominated, traditional stand-offs between suits and actual workers. As does today's 'merger' of YAN Giant Banking scam: designed solely to eliminate another 10,000 jobs as redundant and split the largesse with some out-of-work entrepreneurs of "merging". Time for another viewing of Brassed Off re that redundancy word. We sure as fuck cannot lay That on the 'feminists', either. Ashton
Post #135,987 by Nightowl 1/15/04 9:03:19 PM Reply	Speaking of Rosie... They've been running ads on my local network in St. Louis asking for people who were Rosie The Riveters back then, to contact them and be part of some kind of big project. I'll have to see if I can find out more about it online, but I think it's pretty neat that they are doing something to honor all those women who did what they did back then! Nightowl >8# "It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences." Harry S. Truman "Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your relationship and deepening it. That factor is attitude." Timothy Bentley
Post #136,001 by Nightowl 1/15/04 9:40:15 PM Reply	Found The link for it They are creating a Rosie the Riveter/World War II Home Front National Historical Park as a tribute to them. Here's the link. [link\|http://www.rosietheriveter.org/\|http://www.rosietheriveter.org/] They are asking for people to send in stories, etc. and add suggestions about what to do with the park. :) Nightowl >8# "It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences." Harry S. Truman "Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your relationship and deepening it. That factor is attitude." Timothy Bentley
Post #136,260 by Ashton 1/17/04 4:22:34 AM Reply	Good sleuthing, Owlet! And Richmond is just a stoned throw across The Bay. Alas, I doubt that my aunt wrote much of her experiences (though she was a teacher and wrote well). I'd add her to the list, but cannot recreate the stories with any accuracy, and there is enough BS 24/7 already, so I won't fake it - that side of the family was unlikely to have thought of anything like an "oral history" from this magnificent gal of yore. (I have no excuse, either) It's an appropriate locale, too - not far from Mare Island (the famous throwaway Victory ships designed by Henry J. Kaiser) - he of Kaiser Permanente, the first HMO -- before that idea became a Enron-style profit-center for suits / middle-men / drones. Odd to think this is the first?? monument to Rosie in the whole fscking USA! THAT's how much these events have been sublimated since.. by the male movers/shakers, movin and shakin in them boots. Thanks, Ashton
Post #136,285 by Nightowl 1/17/04 11:43:43 AM Reply	You're welcome. :) After she was being discussed in here some, I figured people might like the link. Besides, you can always make suggestions or ask your family what they might like to see there. And I don't know if you can send photos or just her name to be added to the list, but you can check out the link and see. :) Nightowl >8# "It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences." Harry S. Truman "Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your relationship and deepening it. That factor is attitude." Timothy Bentley

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