Spin?

Post #113,250 by Silverlock 8/8/03 9:45:21 PM Reply	Spin? I don't think I've seen anything about this so far that could be classed as spin. Original reports based on cell phone calls. The latest based on cockpit recordings. Both point to a passenger uprising against hijackers. Aside from that, as far as I'm concerned, the passengers stopped 'em. If they were in the cocpit, cabin or bathroom doesn't matter. The hijackers were unable to reach the objective they wanted as a result of the passengers' actions. Nuff said. ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,252 by Nightowl 8/8/03 9:47:53 PM Reply	Re: Spin? Aside from that, as far as I'm concerned, the passengers stopped 'em. If they were in the cocpit, cabin or bathroom doesn't matter. The hijackers were unable to reach the objective they wanted as a result of the passengers' actions. Nuff said. I completely agree there. I have the book, "Let's Roll" and I haven't read it yet, but all the things I have heard corroborate those accounts. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #113,254 by bepatient 8/8/03 10:17:11 PM Reply	Title of article versus actual content. Everything I read from the report and the others who have heard the tapes say its difficult to tell if they entered the cockpit...yet the article title is definitive in saying they did not. That is the "spin" I agree with you though...that it doesn't matter at all. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,258 by Silverlock 8/8/03 11:57:34 PM Reply	Ah, I see We are once again working from different defintions. For me, "spin" is a "what he really meant to say" explanation of a politician's words. You have a brand new definition. ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,283 by bepatient 8/9/03 10:58:46 AM Reply	Spin is also done by the press... ...to use titles and descriptors to make more of a story than is actually there. Like this. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,359 by Nightowl 8/9/03 10:12:51 PM Reply	Re: Spin is also done by the press... This is a good example of semantics based on perception and usage. :) Spin can, mean many things in many contexts, and it would depend on the context. When you think of the word spin, think of what immediately comes to mind, as a stand alone word it has no definitive meaning, because it means what you think of... a spinning top, something or someone spinning around, spinning wheel, even spinning a yarn... So this is a classic example of what is described in "Tyranny Of Words", how one given word can have many meanings based on the person's usage, and if that usage isn't as clear to the reader, they can easily be confused. :) Not criticizing, nor complaining... just making an observation based on what I've been reading. :) That book is fascinating. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #113,377 by Silverlock 8/10/03 9:28:00 AM Reply	I don't accept that Let me check for definitons..... Nope, you are using a brand new definition. I am using this one- To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: ... Def. 7 from [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spin\|here]. Your definition, to use titles and descriptors to make more of a story than is actually there already has a word that it matches up with. Finding it is left as an exercise for the student. ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,378 by bepatient 8/10/03 10:07:21 AM Reply	Super... ..per your definition..what do think that story's title was intended to do??? To sway people into believing an interpretation of the report that, to date, is NOT widely accepted. Some think that its possible that they did not gain access. Some still think they did. Obviously the writer of the story was using >spin< in the title to sway those who do NOT continue to read the article. Certainly the article still left glaring questions regarding the cockpit access. Newspapers do this all of the time. Disagree all you like. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,404 by Silverlock 8/10/03 5:54:32 PM Reply	Except for one little detail You might have a claim but for the fact that the article reports this is not a reinterpretation done by the reporter. The reporting is that the FBI says this is their best guess as to what happened. Reporter; reporting. If there is any spin here it is from the FBI, not the news reports reporting on it. (Did I get all the forms of "report" in?) /pedant ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,409 by bepatient 8/10/03 7:54:28 PM Reply	Right...he "reports".. ...a best guess...and continues to "report" that others doubt the FBI account...but the >title< was definitive. Spin. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,417 by jake123 8/10/03 9:32:55 PM Reply	Reporters don't write headlines Editorial staff do. If you're talking about the headline, look at the administration of the newspaper, not the reporter. Reporters can't write headlines because it's all dependent on how many inches of column are available for the headline. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #113,420 by Simon_Jester 8/10/03 10:37:32 PM Reply	Shush - he's on a roll why mess it up with facts?
Post #113,428 by bepatient 8/11/03 12:59:01 AM Reply	Does it matter? If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,500 by Ashton 8/11/03 5:44:51 PM Reply	Does anything?
Post #113,523 by Silverlock 8/11/03 8:49:21 PM Reply	Why I object to the use of the word "spin" And not only in this case. Spin has a connotative association of a sort of shady reinterpratation. Like this- "Even though we meant what we said when we said it, what you are supposed to understand is this is what we meant/mean now because what we said before is inconvenient/embarassing/illegal/etc." That is the aspect of using the term "spin" that bothers me. There are other pejorative terms to use, this one is not accurate. ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,525 by bepatient 8/11/03 9:25:35 PM Reply	Ok...I can accept that. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,533 by Silverlock 8/11/03 9:48:43 PM Reply	Pedants R Us. I'd rather argue with you over positions, not definitions. Aside; I think you are my favorite adversary in these discussions. ----------------------------------------- [link\|http://www.talion.com/questionw.html\|?W] Where were you in 72?
Post #113,546 by bepatient 8/11/03 11:18:08 PM Reply	Alright...cut it out. Being nice to me will get you nowhere :-) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,548 by admin 8/11/03 11:34:24 PM Reply	No need to get all sappy. Just throw his arse into the pool next year. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #113,553 by bepatient 8/12/03 12:42:17 AM Reply	Shh.... Now he'll be expecting it... He's probably got some old-man-fu up his sleeve like the boxster. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #113,410 by Another Scott 8/10/03 8:16:16 PM Reply	Remember that the reporters don't write the headlines... at least they don't usually, AFAIK. Cheers, Scott.

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