Post #113,377
8/10/03 9:28:00 AM
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I don't accept that
Let me check for definitons..... Nope, you *are* using a brand new definition. I am using this one- To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: ... Def. 7 from [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spin|here]. Your definition, to use titles and descriptors to make more of a story than is actually there already has a word that it matches up with. Finding it is left as an exercise for the student. -----------------------------------------
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Post #113,378
8/10/03 10:07:21 AM
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Super...
..per your definition..what do think that story's title was intended to do???
To sway people into believing an interpretation of the report that, to date, is NOT widely accepted.
Some think that its possible that they did not gain access. Some still think they did. Obviously the writer of the story was using >spin< in the title to sway those who do NOT continue to read the article. Certainly the article still left glaring questions regarding the cockpit access.
Newspapers do this all of the time.
Disagree all you like.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #113,404
8/10/03 5:54:32 PM
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Except for one little detail
You might have a claim but for the fact that the article reports this is not a reinterpretation done by the reporter. The reporting is that the FBI says this is their best guess as to what happened. Reporter; reporting. If there is any spin here it is from the FBI, not the news reports reporting on it.
(Did I get all the forms of "report" in?)
/pedant
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Post #113,409
8/10/03 7:54:28 PM
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Right...he "reports"..
...a best guess...and continues to "report" that others doubt the FBI account...but the >title< was definitive.
Spin.
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Post #113,417
8/10/03 9:32:55 PM
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Reporters don't write headlines
Editorial staff do. If you're talking about the headline, look at the administration of the newspaper, not the reporter.
Reporters can't write headlines because it's all dependent on how many inches of column are available for the headline.
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Post #113,420
8/10/03 10:37:32 PM
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Shush - he's on a roll
why mess it up with facts?
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Post #113,428
8/11/03 12:59:01 AM
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Does it matter?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #113,500
8/11/03 5:44:51 PM
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Does anything?
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Post #113,523
8/11/03 8:49:21 PM
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Why I object to the use of the word "spin"
And not only in this case. Spin has a connotative association of a sort of shady reinterpratation.
Like this-
"Even though we meant what we said when we said it, what you are supposed to understand is this is what we meant/mean now because what we said before is inconvenient/embarassing/illegal/etc."
That is the aspect of using the term "spin" that bothers me. There are other pejorative terms to use, this one is not accurate.
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Post #113,525
8/11/03 9:25:35 PM
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Ok...I can accept that.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #113,533
8/11/03 9:48:43 PM
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Pedants R Us.
I'd rather argue with you over positions, not definitions.
Aside; I think you are my favorite adversary in these discussions.
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Post #113,546
8/11/03 11:18:08 PM
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Alright...cut it out.
Being nice to me will get you nowhere :-)
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Post #113,548
8/11/03 11:34:24 PM
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No need to get all sappy.
Just throw his arse into the pool next year.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #113,553
8/12/03 12:42:17 AM
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Shh....
Now he'll be expecting it...
He's probably got some old-man-fu up his sleeve like the boxster.
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