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New I don't know if your
government is in real danger. However, I've been watching all the shit going on, and I'd say your freedoms and democracy are.

The crap going on at X-Ray in Guantamo Bay is enough on its own for most people to consider that the US is getting its shit ruined by the current regime. The rules surrounding the kangaroo court that the Pentagon guys are setting up is enough to make the US look like a banana republic.

A lot of people I've talked to up here are puzzled... how could things be getting this far? It looks like 9/11 has succeeded in driving the US off its rocker... the thing with the forced drinking of breast milk is so over the top as to almost defy belief; more than one person I told about that didn't believe me until I showed them the article. Not only that, you can't pin that on the regime; that's just ordinary folks who've been given a little bit of power getting drunk on it and going gestapo. Like a collective psychosis, where the twin towers has led a lot of people to give themselves permission to behave shamefully because they can excuse it as "national security" and "fighting terrorism".

I said a year and a half ago that the US was entering into a dangerous time for its democracy, and I still think that; right now, you're right in the middle of it. This reaches well beyond the McCarthy era in the widespread nastiness that's going on, imho.

You guys have to get rid of these people in 2004. They're going to destroy the very things that make your country great, and fulfill the wildest fantasies of the people that did the twin towers by doing so. Terrorism isn't about a war of attrition, or straight military combat, it's about changing people and changing behaviour. Right now, the simple fact of the matter is that looking in from outside, it looks like the 9/11 hijackers and their backing organisation (bin Laden and al-Qaida) have succeeded absolutely and completely in their goals.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Thou sayest: exactly so.
     So what's the evidence for Bush lying - (johnu) - (49)
         Couple - (jbrabeck)
         Shrub and Condiment Blame CIA - (deSitter) - (2)
             This is the 2nd time that Bush has done something weird.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                 Cleared != verified - (mhuber)
         Here's why there cannot ever be any 'evidence': - (Ashton)
         the evidence for Bush lying - (tangaroa) - (1)
             Missed one - (tangaroa)
         You need to look for evidence? - (ben_tilly)
         Not what I'm looking for - (johnu) - (36)
             Of course it isn't what you are looking for - (ben_tilly) - (35)
                 Just can't redefine lying that way - (johnu) - (34)
                     Re: Just can't redefine lying that way - (deSitter) - (2)
                         It escalates - (deSitter)
                         That bugs me. - (mmoffitt)
                     Who is redefining lying? - (ben_tilly) - (29)
                         Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (Ashton) - (23)
                             Re: Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (johnu) - (22)
                                 Define the promise - (jbrabeck)
                                 You would show lack of integrity at least in that scenario - (ben_tilly) - (20)
                                     Re: You would show lack of integrity... - (johnu) - (19)
                                         Intent to deceive? - (Silverlock) - (13)
                                             Intent to deceive - ability to lie without lying... - (Simon_Jester) - (8)
                                                 I'm confused - (Silverlock) - (6)
                                                     In a milieu shouting, Ignorance is Truth!__War is Peace! - (Ashton)
                                                     I'm sorry - I was agreeing with you... - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
                                                         OK - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                                             Nice followup by the Washington Post.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                                                                 Re: the French - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                                                     Not 'hard' if you think like a Neoconman... :( -NT - (Ashton)
                                                 Should point out - (jake123)
                                             That explains a lot - (johnu) - (3)
                                                 Ignore the inconvenient - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                                     I think johnu == krove. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                         Wrong - (Ashton)
                                         Mighty fine gradations of dishonesty there... - (ben_tilly)
                                         Considering the time difference - (jake123) - (3)
                                             Re: Considering the time difference - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                 I don't know if your - (jake123) - (1)
                                                     Thou sayest: exactly so. -NT - (Ashton)
                         Note: - (jake123) - (4)
                             State of the Union - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                 Looks to me like SotU is certainly being - (jake123) - (2)
                                     EEuuww. - (Silverlock)
                                     Re: "Imperial Amreica" - (jb4)
                     Speaking of redefining lying - (tangaroa)
         And you flamed Clinton over the meaning of "is"? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
             Brevity Award over Ashcroftian-pallid breast-skin background -NT - (Ashton)
         johnu: The Literal Mind\ufffd___inaction -NT - (Ashton)
         warning old joke in message - (andread)

Hey, they have color-coded detours here.
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