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Post #110,240
by jake123
7/17/03 8:54:02 PM
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New Note:
If Bush is presenting as fact something was "not proven either way yet" that constitutes lying in the legal sense.

From what I recall about the SotU speech, all of those claims were presented as fact.

Is the SotU a marketing spiel, or what?
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Post #110,251
by Silverlock
7/17/03 10:17:34 PM
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New State of the Union
Many are saying that the State of the Union address is, becuase of it's being required by the constitution, a "testimony to congress" and therefore considered to be under oath. He lied under oath. C'mon boys, all you who said, "it's not the sex, it's the lying" line up and denounce him.

/listening to the sounds of silence.
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Post #110,255
by jake123
7/17/03 10:27:24 PM
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New Looks to me like SotU is certainly being
treated as marketing spiel these days. Saw some guy from PNAC on Hard Talk on BBC saying something about "let's put this into perspective... it's just a little mistake. The basic principles are right."

I do agree with him on one thing, though... it's about time people started calling it what it is; empire building. The US is out to create a global empire is his point of view, ushering in an era of Imperial America.

C'mon, say it... "Imperial America". Doesn't it make you feel better to say the truth?
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Post #110,266
by Silverlock
7/17/03 11:24:14 PM
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New EEuuww.
That's nasty. I've got to keep some hope that my fellow Americans will not let these fascists (I use the word in a very exact sense) control the dialog. They will be exposed and brought down. The evidence is all to clear. PNAC. Anyone with any sense can see that our drive to conquer Iraq was driven by the PNAC crowd. I can only hope that our "official" media will wake up from their decade long snooze.

Chasing Clinton's cock was a whole lot easier than real investigative reporting. They might have to actually find a confirming source! Gasp! No more Scaife funded witch hunts! Gasp!
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Post #110,423
by jb4
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7/18/03 7:10:45 PM
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New Re: "Imperial Amreica"
Some of us have been saying that since...oh, 1968 or so. Unlike wine, 35 years does not age that phrase well.
jb4
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     So what's the evidence for Bush lying - (johnu) - (49) - July 11, 2003, 04:11:52 PM EDT
         Couple - (jbrabeck) - July 11, 2003, 04:30:13 PM EDT
         Shrub and Condiment Blame CIA - (deSitter) - (2) - July 11, 2003, 05:22:39 PM EDT
             This is the 2nd time that Bush has done something weird.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 12, 2003, 08:06:33 AM EDT
                 Cleared != verified - (mhuber) - July 13, 2003, 01:40:03 AM EDT
         Here's why there cannot ever be any 'evidence': - (Ashton) - July 11, 2003, 06:14:33 PM EDT
         the evidence for Bush lying - (tangaroa) - (1) - July 11, 2003, 08:56:29 PM EDT
             Missed one - (tangaroa) - July 11, 2003, 08:57:07 PM EDT
         You need to look for evidence? - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2003, 10:41:24 PM EDT
         Not what I'm looking for - (johnu) - (36) - July 14, 2003, 12:41:17 PM EDT
             Of course it isn't what you are looking for - (ben_tilly) - (35) - July 14, 2003, 01:02:49 PM EDT
                 Just can't redefine lying that way - (johnu) - (34) - July 14, 2003, 01:14:04 PM EDT
                     Re: Just can't redefine lying that way - (deSitter) - (2) - July 14, 2003, 01:25:57 PM EDT
                         It escalates - (deSitter) - July 14, 2003, 11:30:54 PM EDT
                         That bugs me. - (mmoffitt) - July 15, 2003, 11:47:11 AM EDT
                     Who is redefining lying? - (ben_tilly) - (29) - July 14, 2003, 01:30:24 PM EDT
                         Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (Ashton) - (23) - July 14, 2003, 08:09:54 PM EDT
                             Re: Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (johnu) - (22) - July 15, 2003, 08:20:06 AM EDT
                                 Define the promise - (jbrabeck) - July 15, 2003, 09:22:23 AM EDT
                                 You would show lack of integrity at least in that scenario - (ben_tilly) - (20) - July 15, 2003, 01:07:48 PM EDT
                                     Re: You would show lack of integrity... - (johnu) - (19) - July 15, 2003, 01:39:29 PM EDT
                                         Intent to deceive? - (Silverlock) - (13) - July 15, 2003, 01:59:06 PM EDT
                                             Intent to deceive - ability to lie without lying... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - July 15, 2003, 02:12:56 PM EDT
                                                 I'm confused - (Silverlock) - (6) - July 15, 2003, 02:28:51 PM EDT
                                                     In a milieu shouting, Ignorance is Truth!__War is Peace! - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:07:47 PM EDT
                                                     I'm sorry - I was agreeing with you... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 15, 2003, 08:18:52 PM EDT
                                                         OK - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 16, 2003, 09:06:39 AM EDT
                                                             Nice followup by the Washington Post.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 16, 2003, 01:50:08 PM EDT
                                                                 Re: the French - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 16, 2003, 02:50:57 PM EDT
                                                                     Not 'hard' if you think like a Neoconman... :( -NT - (Ashton) - July 16, 2003, 07:17:51 PM EDT
                                                 Should point out - (jake123) - July 17, 2003, 08:51:27 PM EDT
                                             That explains a lot - (johnu) - (3) - July 17, 2003, 03:20:31 PM EDT
                                                 Ignore the inconvenient - (Silverlock) - (2) - July 17, 2003, 03:55:13 PM EDT
                                                     I think johnu == krove. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2003, 03:58:05 PM EDT
                                                         Wrong - (Ashton) - July 17, 2003, 08:18:09 PM EDT
                                         Mighty fine gradations of dishonesty there... - (ben_tilly) - July 16, 2003, 05:27:28 PM EDT
                                         Considering the time difference - (jake123) - (3) - July 22, 2003, 03:19:48 AM EDT
                                             Re: Considering the time difference - (deSitter) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 03:28:11 AM EDT
                                                 I don't know if your - (jake123) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 03:47:16 AM EDT
                                                     Thou sayest: exactly so. -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:42:33 AM EDT
                         Note: - (jake123) - (4) - July 17, 2003, 08:54:02 PM EDT
                             State of the Union - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 17, 2003, 10:17:34 PM EDT
                                 Looks to me like SotU is certainly being - (jake123) - (2) - July 17, 2003, 10:27:24 PM EDT
                                     EEuuww. - (Silverlock) - July 17, 2003, 11:24:14 PM EDT
                                     Re: "Imperial Amreica" - (jb4) - July 18, 2003, 07:10:45 PM EDT
                     Speaking of redefining lying - (tangaroa) - July 14, 2003, 11:10:41 PM EDT
         And you flamed Clinton over the meaning of "is"? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 15, 2003, 11:41:08 AM EDT
             Brevity Award over Ashcroftian-pallid breast-skin background -NT - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:10:25 PM EDT
         johnu: The Literal Mind\ufffd___inaction -NT - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:11:56 PM EDT
         warning old joke in message - (andread) - July 22, 2003, 03:19:14 PM EDT

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