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Post #109,838
by Simon_Jester
7/15/03 8:18:52 PM
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New I'm sorry - I was agreeing with you...
and pointing that it was possible for Bush to tell completely true statement and still lie by omission.

The galloping revisionists (how's that for a Marlowe phrase...) are trying desperately to argue that if it Bush said it, it wasn't a lie because technically it was true.

But the fact of the matter (as you pointed out) is that Bush, by ever conceivable record, argued strong that WMD (in particular Nukes) were a clear and present danger to the US. Stating that Britain thought Iraq was trying to buy nukes becomes a lie of omission - because he didn't tell us that our own intelligence organization throught the documents were bogus.
Post #109,908
by Silverlock
7/16/03 9:06:39 AM
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New OK
My bad. I should have read closer.
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Post #109,946
by Simon_Jester
7/16/03 1:50:08 PM
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New Nice followup by the Washington Post....
But a review of speeches and reports, plus interviews with present and former administration officials and intelligence analysts, suggests that between Oct. 7, when President Bush made a speech laying out the case for military action against Hussein, and Jan. 28, when he gave his State of the Union address, almost all the other evidence had either been undercut or disproved by U.N. inspectors in Iraq.

By Jan. 28, in fact, the intelligence report concerning Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa -- although now almost entirely disproved -- was the only publicly unchallenged element of the administration's case that Iraq had restarted its nuclear program. That may explain why the administration strived to keep the information in the speech and attribute it to the British, even though the CIA had challenged it earlier.


[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61622-2003Jul15.html?nav=hptop_tb| Washington Post ]


Notice how all the hyperbole regarding the French has died down as well?
Post #109,970
by Silverlock
7/16/03 2:50:57 PM
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New Re: the French
Kind of hard to continually insult an ally and expect them to respond favorably to a request for armed support.
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Post #110,032
by Ashton
7/16/03 7:17:51 PM
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New Not 'hard' if you think like a Neoconman... :(
     So what's the evidence for Bush lying - (johnu) - (49) - July 11, 2003, 04:11:52 PM EDT
         Couple - (jbrabeck) - July 11, 2003, 04:30:13 PM EDT
         Shrub and Condiment Blame CIA - (deSitter) - (2) - July 11, 2003, 05:22:39 PM EDT
             This is the 2nd time that Bush has done something weird.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 12, 2003, 08:06:33 AM EDT
                 Cleared != verified - (mhuber) - July 13, 2003, 01:40:03 AM EDT
         Here's why there cannot ever be any 'evidence': - (Ashton) - July 11, 2003, 06:14:33 PM EDT
         the evidence for Bush lying - (tangaroa) - (1) - July 11, 2003, 08:56:29 PM EDT
             Missed one - (tangaroa) - July 11, 2003, 08:57:07 PM EDT
         You need to look for evidence? - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2003, 10:41:24 PM EDT
         Not what I'm looking for - (johnu) - (36) - July 14, 2003, 12:41:17 PM EDT
             Of course it isn't what you are looking for - (ben_tilly) - (35) - July 14, 2003, 01:02:49 PM EDT
                 Just can't redefine lying that way - (johnu) - (34) - July 14, 2003, 01:14:04 PM EDT
                     Re: Just can't redefine lying that way - (deSitter) - (2) - July 14, 2003, 01:25:57 PM EDT
                         It escalates - (deSitter) - July 14, 2003, 11:30:54 PM EDT
                         That bugs me. - (mmoffitt) - July 15, 2003, 11:47:11 AM EDT
                     Who is redefining lying? - (ben_tilly) - (29) - July 14, 2003, 01:30:24 PM EDT
                         Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (Ashton) - (23) - July 14, 2003, 08:09:54 PM EDT
                             Re: Mean.. next you'll remind us of his campaign promise of - (johnu) - (22) - July 15, 2003, 08:20:06 AM EDT
                                 Define the promise - (jbrabeck) - July 15, 2003, 09:22:23 AM EDT
                                 You would show lack of integrity at least in that scenario - (ben_tilly) - (20) - July 15, 2003, 01:07:48 PM EDT
                                     Re: You would show lack of integrity... - (johnu) - (19) - July 15, 2003, 01:39:29 PM EDT
                                         Intent to deceive? - (Silverlock) - (13) - July 15, 2003, 01:59:06 PM EDT
                                             Intent to deceive - ability to lie without lying... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - July 15, 2003, 02:12:56 PM EDT
                                                 I'm confused - (Silverlock) - (6) - July 15, 2003, 02:28:51 PM EDT
                                                     In a milieu shouting, Ignorance is Truth!__War is Peace! - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:07:47 PM EDT
                                                     I'm sorry - I was agreeing with you... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 15, 2003, 08:18:52 PM EDT
                                                         OK - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 16, 2003, 09:06:39 AM EDT
                                                             Nice followup by the Washington Post.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 16, 2003, 01:50:08 PM EDT
                                                                 Re: the French - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 16, 2003, 02:50:57 PM EDT
                                                                     Not 'hard' if you think like a Neoconman... :( -NT - (Ashton) - July 16, 2003, 07:17:51 PM EDT
                                                 Should point out - (jake123) - July 17, 2003, 08:51:27 PM EDT
                                             That explains a lot - (johnu) - (3) - July 17, 2003, 03:20:31 PM EDT
                                                 Ignore the inconvenient - (Silverlock) - (2) - July 17, 2003, 03:55:13 PM EDT
                                                     I think johnu == krove. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2003, 03:58:05 PM EDT
                                                         Wrong - (Ashton) - July 17, 2003, 08:18:09 PM EDT
                                         Mighty fine gradations of dishonesty there... - (ben_tilly) - July 16, 2003, 05:27:28 PM EDT
                                         Considering the time difference - (jake123) - (3) - July 22, 2003, 03:19:48 AM EDT
                                             Re: Considering the time difference - (deSitter) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 03:28:11 AM EDT
                                                 I don't know if your - (jake123) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 03:47:16 AM EDT
                                                     Thou sayest: exactly so. -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:42:33 AM EDT
                         Note: - (jake123) - (4) - July 17, 2003, 08:54:02 PM EDT
                             State of the Union - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 17, 2003, 10:17:34 PM EDT
                                 Looks to me like SotU is certainly being - (jake123) - (2) - July 17, 2003, 10:27:24 PM EDT
                                     EEuuww. - (Silverlock) - July 17, 2003, 11:24:14 PM EDT
                                     Re: "Imperial Amreica" - (jb4) - July 18, 2003, 07:10:45 PM EDT
                     Speaking of redefining lying - (tangaroa) - July 14, 2003, 11:10:41 PM EDT
         And you flamed Clinton over the meaning of "is"? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 15, 2003, 11:41:08 AM EDT
             Brevity Award over Ashcroftian-pallid breast-skin background -NT - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:10:25 PM EDT
         johnu: The Literal Mind\ufffd___inaction -NT - (Ashton) - July 15, 2003, 06:11:56 PM EDT
         warning old joke in message - (andread) - July 22, 2003, 03:19:14 PM EDT

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