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SCO's goose cooked now.
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a6l6e6x
)
- (4)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 02:32:48 PM EDT
*chuckle* That goose was done a long time ago
- (
imric
)
- (3)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 02:55:21 PM EDT
Mixed feelings...
- (
hnick
)
- (2)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 03:12:53 PM EDT
Hrm
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 04:17:17 PM EDT
Amen to that!
-NT
- (
a6l6e6x
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 02:45:26 AM EDT
Made up my mind, the FSF *is* anti-business
- (
drewk
)
- (30)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 12:57:50 PM EDT
Okay Skip^H^H^H^HBrett^H^H^H^H^HDrew.
- (
folkert
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 04:40:55 PM EDT
Too right
- (
pwhysall
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 05:03:02 PM EDT
Okay, here it is
- (
drewk
)
- (27)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 08:04:51 AM EDT
Whattaya talking about?
- (
broomberg
)
- (14)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 08:54:46 AM EDT
Hmm, trying to find a link
- (
drewk
)
- (13)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 09:33:37 AM EDT
TIVO
- (
broomberg
)
- (12)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 10:45:42 AM EDT
Wasn't there a camp saying they had to release everything?
-NT
- (
drewk
)
- (11)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 11:09:44 AM EDT
Big thread...
- (
bepatient
)
- (10)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 12:02:29 PM EDT
Classic
- (
altmann
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 12:14:20 PM EDT
That's all about price, though
- (
drewk
)
- (8)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 12:26:59 PM EDT
Applications that ride along do not need to be open source.
-NT
- (
broomberg
)
- (7)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 12:29:10 PM EDT
This is starting to sound like fertile ground for lawyers
-NT
- (
drewk
)
- (6)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 01:08:58 PM EDT
ObSentientLRPD: It got me an A+ on a biology paper.
-NT
- (
inthane-chan
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 01:26:55 PM EDT
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
-NT
- (
Another Scott
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 01:47:42 PM EDT
Been that way for many internet EONs.
-NT
- (
folkert
)
- (1)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 02:31:15 PM EDT
Today, you dance for my amusement.
-NT
- (
inthane-chan
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 04:11:19 PM EDT
Keeping you in touch with temptation.
-NT
- (
admin
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 03:43:07 PM EDT
Hello! Woody! Do you want join in vehement athletics?
-NT
- (
Ashton
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 03:59:43 PM EDT
Here is a better example
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (11)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 04:52:28 PM EDT
Now *that* kind of "web service" *is* a loophole
- (
drewk
)
- (1)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 05:45:57 PM EDT
No, it is a loophole - see my reply to bepatient
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:58 PM EDT
FWIW, Asterisk can be commercially licensed
-NT
- (
altmann
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 06:09:41 PM EDT
Not really.
- (
bepatient
)
- (7)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EDT
Nope, they are not
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (6)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:33 PM EDT
Re: Nope, they are not
- (
bepatient
)
- (5)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 10:04:26 PM EDT
The source of my impression...
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (4)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 11:28:28 PM EDT
Thats fine
- (
bepatient
)
- (3)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 09:19:39 AM EDT
I believe that they are not actually violating the license
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (2)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 11:29:52 AM EDT
Still in wait and see mode!
- (
imric
)
- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2005, 02:24:07 PM EDT
Not so pointless
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 21, 2005, 10:14:30 PM EDT
BTW, this discussion should really be moved to
- (
imric
)
- (19)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT
Mkay.
- (
folkert
)
- (17)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 11:45:43 PM EDT
Greg, Greg.
- (
imric
)
- (16)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 07:11:35 AM EDT
since the source of java applets by nature is
- (
boxley
)
- (3)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 08:44:50 AM EDT
Hmm dunno 'bout open
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 09:29:17 AM EDT
No, the source isn't.
- (
admin
)
- (1)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 11:51:45 AM EDT
the point is silent as well as not mattering :-)
-NT
- (
boxley
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 12:00:31 PM EDT
Not really
- (
JayMehaffey
)
- (1)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 10:54:34 AM EDT
I know - but that was Greg's
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 01:00:07 PM EDT
Profit means many things.
- (
folkert
)
- (9)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 11:56:48 AM EDT
C'mon, now.
- (
imric
)
- (8)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 01:31:26 PM EDT
I did mean monies for simplicity.
- (
folkert
)
- (7)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 04:37:09 PM EDT
Ok. Whatever.
- (
imric
)
- (6)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 08:30:49 PM EDT
I wish you hadn't done that.
- (
folkert
)
- (5)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 09:38:32 PM EDT
Why not? According to you, I am a BSD 'biggot'
- (
imric
)
- (4)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 09:56:28 PM EDT
For that reference, I apologize.
- (
folkert
)
- (3)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 11:58:57 PM EDT
Thanks, Greg.
- (
imric
)
- (2)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 04:45:27 AM EDT
Best to give your input and then switch to...
- (
folkert
)
- (1)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 10:42:18 AM EDT
*grin* After realizing that
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 11:17:07 AM EDT
Might I suggest Religion now.
- (
bepatient
)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 10:03:01 PM EDT
More good points
- (
imric
)
- (66)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT
Re: More good points
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (63)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 09:24:25 AM EDT
Technical mistake
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (61)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 11:45:07 AM EDT
I'm not so sure
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (60)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 11:06:11 PM EDT
Nope. Talk to a lawyer.
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (59)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 11:40:55 PM EDT
That's the thing
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (58)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 12:06:11 PM EDT
You've missed the point, let me simplify
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (57)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 12:14:55 PM EDT
How do modifications/contributions work, then?
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (56)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 02:42:18 PM EDT
Any lawyer will tell you that that is a non-issue
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (55)
- Aug. 10, 2005, 04:15:31 PM EDT
Doesn't change anything
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (54)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 01:07:49 AM EDT
I suggest that you talk to a lawyer if you're concerned
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (53)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 03:02:43 AM EDT
OK, bad wording.
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (52)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 07:53:53 AM EDT
Again, you're not a lawyer. Don't try to play one.
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (51)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 04:40:50 PM EDT
A question
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (50)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 11:22:21 PM EDT
Answer
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (49)
- Aug. 11, 2005, 11:50:54 PM EDT
But it does
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (48)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 01:26:20 AM EDT
I granted one point, not the other
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (47)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 02:49:19 AM EDT
Let's try it again, then
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (44)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 08:44:26 AM EDT
Ahh, now I get you
- (
drewk
)
- (4)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 10:01:35 AM EDT
Not quite
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (3)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 11:02:24 AM EDT
I'm trying to figure out why you don't "get" this
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (2)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 11:24:24 AM EDT
Modifications are only made under the terms of one license
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (1)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 03:06:19 PM EDT
Where does the GPL v2 say that?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 04:56:02 PM EDT
Step 4 is wrong.
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (38)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 11:12:17 AM EDT
Re: Step 4 is wrong.
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (37)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 05:02:28 PM EDT
Re: Step 4 is wrong.
- (
altmann
)
- (11)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 05:27:11 PM EDT
Half-right
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (10)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 05:34:54 PM EDT
Not so sure.
- (
altmann
)
- (9)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 06:22:43 PM EDT
Hrm...
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (4)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 06:55:15 PM EDT
You can mix it, but wouldn't it all become v2 only?
- (
drewk
)
- (3)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 03:56:42 PM EDT
Yabut..
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (2)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 04:27:16 PM EDT
Depends on which came first
- (
drewk
)
- (1)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 05:42:03 PM EDT
Read atcroft's question again
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 05:48:36 PM EDT
Well, my instincts don't seem bad...
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (3)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 12:29:22 PM EDT
Wait a minute.
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (2)
- Aug. 16, 2005, 11:36:32 PM EDT
Not quite.
- (
altmann
)
- (1)
- Aug. 17, 2005, 12:11:52 AM EDT
You got it
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 17, 2005, 12:36:15 AM EDT
Step 7 in your logic is wrong
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (24)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 05:30:24 PM EDT
Re: Step 7 in your logic is wrong
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (23)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 07:50:19 PM EDT
You are not doing that though!
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (22)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 09:54:15 PM EDT
Re: You are not doing that though!
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (21)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 12:43:53 AM EDT
BUT YOU'RE NOT IMPOSING!!!
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (19)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 01:21:33 AM EDT
BUT FREEDOM MUST BE FREE!
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (18)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 01:52:06 AM EDT
Are you actively trying to be stupid?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (17)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 02:23:48 AM EDT
This is entertaining; but weirdly hypothetical, isn't it?
- (
Another Scott
)
- (1)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 10:16:58 AM EDT
Here's some clarifications on your take.
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 01:31:02 PM EDT
Your mother was a hamster
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (8)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 06:53:02 PM EDT
Interesting
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (7)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 11:53:46 PM EDT
Ben, you ignorant slut
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (6)
- Aug. 14, 2005, 01:32:24 AM EDT
Your intended point was not what you accomplished
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (5)
- Aug. 14, 2005, 11:33:09 PM EDT
Riddle me this
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (4)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 12:18:10 AM EDT
The riddle is trivial
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (3)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 01:29:00 AM EDT
Ah, Ben, you didn't meditate.
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (2)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:40 AM EDT
I don't know of anywhere that this has been asked
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 12:47:40 PM EDT
Future versions don't have to remain compatible
- (
drewk
)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 03:52:31 PM EDT
And your father smelt of elderberries
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (3)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 07:04:13 PM EDT
And you have the brains of a chihuahua
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (2)
- Aug. 14, 2005, 12:08:36 AM EDT
See, here's the thing
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (1)
- Aug. 14, 2005, 01:37:51 AM EDT
That is a misunderstanding I hadn't quite anticipated
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 01:41:06 AM EDT
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (1)
- Aug. 13, 2005, 07:12:57 PM EDT
What do the other definitions say?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 14, 2005, 12:20:07 AM EDT
What does this mean?
- (
drewk
)
- Aug. 15, 2005, 12:06:51 AM EDT
Re: I granted one point, not the other
- (
bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 09:26:38 AM EDT
No, we really are arguing different points
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 12, 2005, 11:13:55 AM EDT
Well, the actual draft isn't available yet.
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 12:19:51 PM EDT
I don't really have a dog in this fight
- (
hnick
)
- (1)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 09:43:46 AM EDT
Actually they started as extremists
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 11:42:33 AM EDT
GPL, Version 3
- (
pwhysall
)
- (19)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 02:50:59 AM EDT
Yeah, I should have branched this far earlier...
- (
imric
)
- (9)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 07:27:37 AM EDT
In what way
- (
JayMehaffey
)
- (8)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 12:15:32 PM EDT
Employment.
- (
imric
)
- (7)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 12:35:19 PM EDT
We shall see
- (
JayMehaffey
)
- (6)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 06:14:11 PM EDT
GAH.
- (
imric
)
- (5)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 06:20:18 PM EDT
Re: GAH.
- (
JayMehaffey
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 06:25:28 PM EDT
Try this
- (
drewk
)
- (3)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 06:40:18 PM EDT
No, Drew. YOU did.
- (
imric
)
- (2)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 07:06:09 PM EDT
Yeah, I was agreeing with you
- (
drewk
)
- (1)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 07:19:10 PM EDT
*chuckle* Sorry. Paranoia at work.
-NT
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 07:40:56 PM EDT
Re: GPL, Version 3
- (
cwbrenn
)
- (8)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT
That is interesting
- (
SpiceWare
)
- (7)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 02:35:01 PM EDT
Maybe.
- (
cwbrenn
)
- (6)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 02:41:16 PM EDT
I found it!
- (
cwbrenn
)
- (5)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 03:16:35 PM EDT
*chuckle*
-NT
- (
imric
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 03:13:15 PM EDT
But note that...
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (3)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 03:24:44 PM EDT
On the other hand...
- (
cwbrenn
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 03:26:04 PM EDT
You change tactics, not philosophy
- (
drewk
)
- (1)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 04:21:39 PM EDT
Point
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- Aug. 9, 2005, 04:35:32 PM EDT
Why people prefer open source software
- (
ben_tilly
)
- May 12, 2005, 06:31:00 PM EDT
Price FIxing?
- (
bepatient
)
- (5)
- May 10, 2005, 05:55:58 PM EDT
Yeah - she's a piece of work, isn't she.
-NT
- (
imric
)
- (4)
- May 10, 2005, 06:02:12 PM EDT
Did you see Rorgg's comment?
- (
Another Scott
)
- (3)
- May 10, 2005, 06:55:20 PM EDT
Well she'll shortly have a smaller public platform :-)
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- May 10, 2005, 07:58:30 PM EDT
'Til Microsoft hire her :)
-NT
- (
Meerkat
)
- May 20, 2005, 08:24:45 PM EDT
These things will be removed shortly from Sys-Con.
- (
folkert
)
- May 11, 2005, 08:59:00 AM EDT
Hints about the GPL v3
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (15)
- April 8, 2005, 08:47:05 PM EDT
Wouldn't that also apply to non-OSS licenses?
- (
drewk
)
- (4)
- April 8, 2005, 11:58:36 PM EDT
Yes
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (3)
- April 9, 2005, 12:15:40 AM EDT
Sounds like the real choice in licensing is simplicity
- (
drewk
)
- (2)
- April 9, 2005, 12:26:12 AM EDT
BSD is simpler
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- April 9, 2005, 03:01:34 AM EDT
Hate to say this, but ...
- (
drewk
)
- April 9, 2005, 03:17:29 PM EDT
That would conflict with Freedom 0.
- (
ubernostrum
)
- (9)
- April 9, 2005, 04:20:56 PM EDT
Why wouldn't he?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (8)
- April 9, 2005, 05:05:28 PM EDT
I can think of one reason
- (
jake123
)
- (7)
- April 9, 2005, 05:40:01 PM EDT
That argument is not new
- (
ben_tilly
)
- April 9, 2005, 06:00:30 PM EDT
RMS is far crazier than that.
- (
broomberg
)
- (2)
- April 9, 2005, 06:28:24 PM EDT
He was probably right
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- April 9, 2005, 06:52:40 PM EDT
(Un)intended consequences
- (
drewk
)
- April 11, 2005, 02:34:02 AM EDT
That could bring up an interesting possibility.
- (
static
)
- (2)
- April 10, 2005, 11:58:17 PM EDT
That entirely depends on what your website does
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- April 11, 2005, 01:49:38 AM EDT
I hadn't thought of that.
-NT
- (
static
)
- April 12, 2005, 12:08:43 AM EDT
Brazil and Free Software
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- March 29, 2005, 06:59:40 PM EST
Very nice. Thanks.
-NT
- (
mmoffitt
)
- March 30, 2005, 08:16:36 AM EST
FUD FUD FUD FUD
- (
drewk
)
- (19)
- March 16, 2005, 10:33:59 PM EST
The first bit is right.
- (
admin
)
- (17)
- March 16, 2005, 10:38:52 PM EST
Really?
- (
drewk
)
- (15)
- March 16, 2005, 10:41:41 PM EST
Shouldn't matter.
- (
admin
)
- (1)
- March 16, 2005, 10:59:53 PM EST
If you _give_ the contractor the code, maybe.
- (
imric
)
- March 17, 2005, 07:10:21 AM EST
The right definition of distribute is set by copyright law
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (12)
- March 17, 2005, 11:05:32 AM EST
Yes it would
- (
jake123
)
- (11)
- March 17, 2005, 05:29:22 PM EST
Doesn't GPL prohibit additional terms?
- (
drewk
)
- (8)
- March 17, 2005, 05:48:05 PM EST
This is a FAQ.
- (
Another Scott
)
- (7)
- March 17, 2005, 06:03:41 PM EST
Note that this disagrees with Jake's understanding above.
-NT
- (
ben_tilly
)
- March 17, 2005, 06:18:23 PM EST
That contradicts what Jake said
- (
drewk
)
- (5)
- March 17, 2005, 06:22:38 PM EST
Various corrections
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (4)
- March 17, 2005, 06:58:58 PM EST
So do you agree with Scott's assessment?
- (
drewk
)
- (3)
- March 17, 2005, 09:14:59 PM EST
Yes. Mostly.
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (2)
- March 17, 2005, 10:26:48 PM EST
In that case, you're being compelled
- (
drewk
)
- (1)
- March 17, 2005, 10:35:25 PM EST
That's the idea - but how far does that go?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- March 17, 2005, 10:45:18 PM EST
You didn't do your research very well?
- (
ben_tilly
)
- (1)
- March 17, 2005, 06:16:35 PM EST
Okay, so we use the Copyright definition of distribute
- (
drewk
)
- March 17, 2005, 06:24:11 PM EST
what about an IP statement that all contractors sign
- (
boxley
)
- March 17, 2005, 07:46:40 AM EST
I think it's half right
- (
Arkadiy
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