(new) Software Licensing

SCO's goose cooked now. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - Aug. 10, 2005, 02:32:48 PM EDT

*chuckle* That goose was done a long time ago - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2005, 02:55:21 PM EDT

Mixed feelings... - (hnick) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2005, 03:12:53 PM EDT

Hrm - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:17:17 PM EDT

Amen to that! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 11, 2005, 02:45:26 AM EDT

Made up my mind, the FSF *is* anti-business - (drewk) - (30) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:57:50 PM EDT

Okay Skip^H^H^H^HBrett^H^H^H^H^HDrew. - (folkert) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:40:55 PM EDT

Too right - (pwhysall) - Aug. 10, 2005, 05:03:02 PM EDT

Okay, here it is - (drewk) - (27) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:04:51 AM EDT

Whattaya talking about? - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:54:46 AM EDT

Hmm, trying to find a link - (drewk) - (13) - Aug. 11, 2005, 09:33:37 AM EDT

TIVO - (broomberg) - (12) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:45:42 AM EDT

Wasn't there a camp saying they had to release everything? -NT - (drewk) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:09:44 AM EDT

Big thread... - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:02:29 PM EDT

Classic - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:14:20 PM EDT

That's all about price, though - (drewk) - (8) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:26:59 PM EDT

Applications that ride along do not need to be open source. -NT - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:29:10 PM EDT

This is starting to sound like fertile ground for lawyers -NT - (drewk) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:08:58 PM EDT

ObSentientLRPD: It got me an A+ on a biology paper. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:26:55 PM EDT

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:47:42 PM EDT

Been that way for many internet EONs. -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 02:31:15 PM EDT

Today, you dance for my amusement. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:11:19 PM EDT

Keeping you in touch with temptation. -NT - (admin) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:43:07 PM EDT

Hello! Woody! Do you want join in vehement athletics? -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:59:43 PM EDT

Here is a better example - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:52:28 PM EDT

Now *that* kind of "web service" *is* a loophole - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 05:45:57 PM EDT

No, it is a loophole - see my reply to bepatient -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:58 PM EDT

FWIW, Asterisk can be commercially licensed -NT - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:09:41 PM EDT

Not really. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EDT

Nope, they are not - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:33 PM EDT

Re: Nope, they are not - (bepatient) - (5) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:04:26 PM EDT

The source of my impression... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:28:28 PM EDT

Thats fine - (bepatient) - (3) - Aug. 12, 2005, 09:19:39 AM EDT

I believe that they are not actually violating the license - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:29:52 AM EDT

Still in wait and see mode! - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2005, 02:24:07 PM EDT

Not so pointless - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 21, 2005, 10:14:30 PM EDT

BTW, this discussion should really be moved to - (imric) - (19) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT

Mkay. - (folkert) - (17) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:45:43 PM EDT

Greg, Greg. - (imric) - (16) - Aug. 10, 2005, 07:11:35 AM EDT

since the source of java applets by nature is - (boxley) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2005, 08:44:50 AM EDT

Hmm dunno 'bout open - (imric) - Aug. 10, 2005, 09:29:17 AM EDT

No, the source isn't. - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2005, 11:51:45 AM EDT

the point is silent as well as not mattering :-) -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:00:31 PM EDT

Not really - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2005, 10:54:34 AM EDT

I know - but that was Greg's - (imric) - Aug. 10, 2005, 01:00:07 PM EDT

Profit means many things. - (folkert) - (9) - Aug. 10, 2005, 11:56:48 AM EDT

C'mon, now. - (imric) - (8) - Aug. 10, 2005, 01:31:26 PM EDT

I did mean monies for simplicity. - (folkert) - (7) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:37:09 PM EDT

Ok. Whatever. - (imric) - (6) - Aug. 10, 2005, 08:30:49 PM EDT

I wish you hadn't done that. - (folkert) - (5) - Aug. 10, 2005, 09:38:32 PM EDT

Why not? According to you, I am a BSD 'biggot' - (imric) - (4) - Aug. 10, 2005, 09:56:28 PM EDT

For that reference, I apologize. - (folkert) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2005, 11:58:57 PM EDT

Thanks, Greg. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:45:27 AM EDT

Best to give your input and then switch to... - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:42:18 AM EDT

*grin* After realizing that - (imric) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:17:07 AM EDT

Might I suggest Religion now. - (bepatient) - Aug. 10, 2005, 10:03:01 PM EDT

More good points - (imric) - (66) - Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT

Re: More good points - (ubernostrum) - (63) - Aug. 9, 2005, 09:24:25 AM EDT

Technical mistake - (ben_tilly) - (61) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:45:07 AM EDT

I'm not so sure - (ubernostrum) - (60) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:06:11 PM EDT

Nope. Talk to a lawyer. - (ben_tilly) - (59) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:40:55 PM EDT

That's the thing - (ubernostrum) - (58) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:06:11 PM EDT

You've missed the point, let me simplify - (ben_tilly) - (57) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:14:55 PM EDT

How do modifications/contributions work, then? - (ubernostrum) - (56) - Aug. 10, 2005, 02:42:18 PM EDT

Any lawyer will tell you that that is a non-issue - (ben_tilly) - (55) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:15:31 PM EDT

Doesn't change anything - (ubernostrum) - (54) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:07:49 AM EDT

I suggest that you talk to a lawyer if you're concerned - (ben_tilly) - (53) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:02:43 AM EDT

OK, bad wording. - (ubernostrum) - (52) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:53:53 AM EDT

Again, you're not a lawyer. Don't try to play one. - (ben_tilly) - (51) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:40:50 PM EDT

A question - (ubernostrum) - (50) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:22:21 PM EDT

Answer - (ben_tilly) - (49) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:50:54 PM EDT

But it does - (ubernostrum) - (48) - Aug. 12, 2005, 01:26:20 AM EDT

I granted one point, not the other - (ben_tilly) - (47) - Aug. 12, 2005, 02:49:19 AM EDT

Let's try it again, then - (ubernostrum) - (44) - Aug. 12, 2005, 08:44:26 AM EDT

Ahh, now I get you - (drewk) - (4) - Aug. 12, 2005, 10:01:35 AM EDT

Not quite - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:02:24 AM EDT

I'm trying to figure out why you don't "get" this - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:24:24 AM EDT

Modifications are only made under the terms of one license - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 12, 2005, 03:06:19 PM EDT

Where does the GPL v2 say that? - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 12, 2005, 04:56:02 PM EDT

Step 4 is wrong. - (ben_tilly) - (38) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:12:17 AM EDT

Re: Step 4 is wrong. - (ubernostrum) - (37) - Aug. 12, 2005, 05:02:28 PM EDT

Re: Step 4 is wrong. - (altmann) - (11) - Aug. 12, 2005, 05:27:11 PM EDT

Half-right - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Aug. 12, 2005, 05:34:54 PM EDT

Not so sure. - (altmann) - (9) - Aug. 12, 2005, 06:22:43 PM EDT

Hrm... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 12, 2005, 06:55:15 PM EDT

You can mix it, but wouldn't it all become v2 only? - (drewk) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:56:42 PM EDT

Yabut.. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:27:16 PM EDT

Depends on which came first - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:42:03 PM EDT

Read atcroft's question again - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:48:36 PM EDT

Well, my instincts don't seem bad... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:29:22 PM EDT

Wait a minute. - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 11:36:32 PM EDT

Not quite. - (altmann) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:11:52 AM EDT

You got it -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:36:15 AM EDT

Step 7 in your logic is wrong - (ben_tilly) - (24) - Aug. 12, 2005, 05:30:24 PM EDT

Re: Step 7 in your logic is wrong - (ubernostrum) - (23) - Aug. 12, 2005, 07:50:19 PM EDT

You are not doing that though! - (ben_tilly) - (22) - Aug. 12, 2005, 09:54:15 PM EDT

Re: You are not doing that though! - (ubernostrum) - (21) - Aug. 13, 2005, 12:43:53 AM EDT

BUT YOU'RE NOT IMPOSING!!! - (ben_tilly) - (19) - Aug. 13, 2005, 01:21:33 AM EDT

BUT FREEDOM MUST BE FREE! - (ubernostrum) - (18) - Aug. 13, 2005, 01:52:06 AM EDT

Are you actively trying to be stupid? - (ben_tilly) - (17) - Aug. 13, 2005, 02:23:48 AM EDT

This is entertaining; but weirdly hypothetical, isn't it? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 13, 2005, 10:16:58 AM EDT

Here's some clarifications on your take. - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 13, 2005, 01:31:02 PM EDT

Your mother was a hamster - (ubernostrum) - (8) - Aug. 13, 2005, 06:53:02 PM EDT

Interesting - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Aug. 13, 2005, 11:53:46 PM EDT

Ben, you ignorant slut - (ubernostrum) - (6) - Aug. 14, 2005, 01:32:24 AM EDT

Your intended point was not what you accomplished - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2005, 11:33:09 PM EDT

Riddle me this - (ubernostrum) - (4) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:18:10 AM EDT

The riddle is trivial - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2005, 01:29:00 AM EDT

Ah, Ben, you didn't meditate. - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:40 AM EDT

I don't know of anywhere that this has been asked - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:47:40 PM EDT

Future versions don't have to remain compatible - (drewk) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:52:31 PM EDT

And your father smelt of elderberries - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Aug. 13, 2005, 07:04:13 PM EDT

And you have the brains of a chihuahua - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2005, 12:08:36 AM EDT

See, here's the thing - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2005, 01:37:51 AM EDT

That is a misunderstanding I hadn't quite anticipated - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 15, 2005, 01:41:06 AM EDT

Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 13, 2005, 07:12:57 PM EDT

What do the other definitions say? - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 14, 2005, 12:20:07 AM EDT

What does this mean? - (drewk) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:06:51 AM EDT

Re: I granted one point, not the other - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 12, 2005, 09:26:38 AM EDT

No, we really are arguing different points - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:13:55 AM EDT

Well, the actual draft isn't available yet. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 12:19:51 PM EDT

I don't really have a dog in this fight - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 09:43:46 AM EDT

Actually they started as extremists -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:42:33 AM EDT

GPL, Version 3 - (pwhysall) - (19) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:50:59 AM EDT

Yeah, I should have branched this far earlier... - (imric) - (9) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:27:37 AM EDT

In what way - (JayMehaffey) - (8) - Aug. 9, 2005, 12:15:32 PM EDT

Employment. - (imric) - (7) - Aug. 9, 2005, 12:35:19 PM EDT

We shall see - (JayMehaffey) - (6) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:14:11 PM EDT

GAH. - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:20:18 PM EDT

Re: GAH. - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:25:28 PM EDT

Try this - (drewk) - (3) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:40:18 PM EDT

No, Drew. YOU did. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:06:09 PM EDT

Yeah, I was agreeing with you - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:19:10 PM EDT

*chuckle* Sorry. Paranoia at work. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:40:56 PM EDT

Re: GPL, Version 3 - (cwbrenn) - (8) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT

That is interesting - (SpiceWare) - (7) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:35:01 PM EDT

Maybe. - (cwbrenn) - (6) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:41:16 PM EDT

I found it! - (cwbrenn) - (5) - Aug. 9, 2005, 03:16:35 PM EDT

*chuckle* -NT - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 03:13:15 PM EDT

But note that... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 9, 2005, 03:24:44 PM EDT

On the other hand... - (cwbrenn) - Aug. 9, 2005, 03:26:04 PM EDT

You change tactics, not philosophy - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 04:21:39 PM EDT

Point -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 9, 2005, 04:35:32 PM EDT

Why people prefer open source software - (ben_tilly) - May 12, 2005, 06:31:00 PM EDT

Price FIxing? - (bepatient) - (5) - May 10, 2005, 05:55:58 PM EDT

Yeah - she's a piece of work, isn't she. -NT - (imric) - (4) - May 10, 2005, 06:02:12 PM EDT

Did you see Rorgg's comment? - (Another Scott) - (3) - May 10, 2005, 06:55:20 PM EDT

Well she'll shortly have a smaller public platform :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 10, 2005, 07:58:30 PM EDT

'Til Microsoft hire her :) -NT - (Meerkat) - May 20, 2005, 08:24:45 PM EDT

These things will be removed shortly from Sys-Con. - (folkert) - May 11, 2005, 08:59:00 AM EDT

Hints about the GPL v3 - (ben_tilly) - (15) - April 8, 2005, 08:47:05 PM EDT

Wouldn't that also apply to non-OSS licenses? - (drewk) - (4) - April 8, 2005, 11:58:36 PM EDT

Yes - (ben_tilly) - (3) - April 9, 2005, 12:15:40 AM EDT

Sounds like the real choice in licensing is simplicity - (drewk) - (2) - April 9, 2005, 12:26:12 AM EDT

BSD is simpler - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 9, 2005, 03:01:34 AM EDT

Hate to say this, but ... - (drewk) - April 9, 2005, 03:17:29 PM EDT

That would conflict with Freedom 0. - (ubernostrum) - (9) - April 9, 2005, 04:20:56 PM EDT

Why wouldn't he? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - April 9, 2005, 05:05:28 PM EDT

I can think of one reason - (jake123) - (7) - April 9, 2005, 05:40:01 PM EDT

That argument is not new - (ben_tilly) - April 9, 2005, 06:00:30 PM EDT

RMS is far crazier than that. - (broomberg) - (2) - April 9, 2005, 06:28:24 PM EDT

He was probably right - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 9, 2005, 06:52:40 PM EDT

(Un)intended consequences - (drewk) - April 11, 2005, 02:34:02 AM EDT

That could bring up an interesting possibility. - (static) - (2) - April 10, 2005, 11:58:17 PM EDT

That entirely depends on what your website does - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 11, 2005, 01:49:38 AM EDT

I hadn't thought of that. -NT - (static) - April 12, 2005, 12:08:43 AM EDT

Brazil and Free Software - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 29, 2005, 06:59:40 PM EST

Very nice. Thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 30, 2005, 08:16:36 AM EST

FUD FUD FUD FUD - (drewk) - (19) - March 16, 2005, 10:33:59 PM EST

The first bit is right. - (admin) - (17) - March 16, 2005, 10:38:52 PM EST

Really? - (drewk) - (15) - March 16, 2005, 10:41:41 PM EST

Shouldn't matter. - (admin) - (1) - March 16, 2005, 10:59:53 PM EST

If you _give_ the contractor the code, maybe. - (imric) - March 17, 2005, 07:10:21 AM EST

The right definition of distribute is set by copyright law - (ben_tilly) - (12) - March 17, 2005, 11:05:32 AM EST

Yes it would - (jake123) - (11) - March 17, 2005, 05:29:22 PM EST

Doesn't GPL prohibit additional terms? - (drewk) - (8) - March 17, 2005, 05:48:05 PM EST

This is a FAQ. - (Another Scott) - (7) - March 17, 2005, 06:03:41 PM EST

Note that this disagrees with Jake's understanding above. -NT - (ben_tilly) - March 17, 2005, 06:18:23 PM EST

That contradicts what Jake said - (drewk) - (5) - March 17, 2005, 06:22:38 PM EST

Various corrections - (ben_tilly) - (4) - March 17, 2005, 06:58:58 PM EST

So do you agree with Scott's assessment? - (drewk) - (3) - March 17, 2005, 09:14:59 PM EST

Yes. Mostly. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 17, 2005, 10:26:48 PM EST

In that case, you're being compelled - (drewk) - (1) - March 17, 2005, 10:35:25 PM EST

That's the idea - but how far does that go? - (ben_tilly) - March 17, 2005, 10:45:18 PM EST

You didn't do your research very well? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 17, 2005, 06:16:35 PM EST

Okay, so we use the Copyright definition of distribute - (drewk) - March 17, 2005, 06:24:11 PM EST

what about an IP statement that all contractors sign - (boxley) - March 17, 2005, 07:46:40 AM EST

I think it's half right - (Arkadiy) - March 17, 2005, 09:19:14 AM EST

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