Post #218,386
8/9/05 2:21:01 PM
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Re: GPL, Version 3
My objection to the change in GPL V3 is that originally, "Point One" WASN'T A LOOPHOLE.
At one point in time, when someone raised the possibility of it *being* a loophole on one of the FSF's GPL discussion forums on usenet (back in the mid-90's), Richard Stallman Himself replied that it was a perfectly valid use of the GPL to modify software and run a web server using that modified software without distributing the source. I remember this conversation because at the time I was researching a (ultimately ridiculously badly written) article on the GPL for OS/2 e-Zine!
That it is considered a loophole *now* is a bit of historical revisionism on the part of the FSF.
I consider this a disappointing move on the FSF's part, and will probably find jolly ways to ridicule them in the months to come.
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- Edward Young
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Post #218,390
8/9/05 2:34:46 PM
8/9/05 2:35:01 PM
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That is interesting
wonder if it could be found at [link|http://www.deja.com|http://www.deja.com] (er Google Groups)
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Edited by SpiceWare
Aug. 9, 2005, 02:35:01 PM EDT
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Post #218,392
8/9/05 2:41:16 PM
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Maybe.
I imagine it would take some doing though. The only other thing I remember about the discussion in that forum at the time was whether or not it was legal to create a plugin licensed under the GPL for a proprietary browser (the answer from RMS was no, because the browser was not exempted under the GPL like an operating system was). *That* one interested me because I was trying to figure out whether or not a GPL'd applications that hooked into OS/2's Workplace Shell would be considered illegal, since the WPS was not technically part of the operating system, but sat on top of it. Stallman actually emailed me about that one saying that it would fall under the exemption, but that I should stop using proprietary operating systems. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #218,397
8/9/05 3:09:07 PM
8/9/05 3:16:35 PM
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I found it!
The petard-hoisting begins now!
[link|http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_frm/thread/ae52507c74c3ebac/|http://groups.google...ae52507c74c3ebac/]
(edited link to actually point to the RMS post)
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Edited by cwbrenn
Aug. 9, 2005, 03:16:35 PM EDT
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Post #218,398
8/9/05 3:13:15 PM
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*chuckle*
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Post #218,399
8/9/05 3:24:44 PM
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But note that...
by the end of that year Bruce Perens was talking about this as a loophole and had ideas on how to fix it.
It may well be that RMS' opinion changed in the intervening 6 years. I consider that fair and reasonable, my opinions on lots of things have changed in the last 6 years.
However if he did come out with something like this, I'd be amused as well.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #218,402
8/9/05 3:26:04 PM
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On the other hand...
Bruce Perens is a dialectical anomaly and changes his mind about everything at least twice a year. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #218,410
8/9/05 4:21:39 PM
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You change tactics, not philosophy
In some cases, I would agree that it is antisocial to make a useful
modification and not release it. But if a license made that illegal,
if a license did not allow people to make and use their own private
changes, without publishing them, I would consider the license
unacceptably restrictive. People should always have the right to
share with their neighbors, but compelling people to share can be
wrong, especially when it conflicts with privacy rights. He's talking philosophy there. When you change that, you're probably a hypocrit. Let's see if he can bring himself to say, "I was wrong." ===
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Post #218,415
8/9/05 4:35:32 PM
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Point
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