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Post #218,761 by broomberg 8/11/05 8:54:46 AM Reply	Whattaya talking about? When Linksys sold the wireless router running Linux, it fit your description. And they had to release the source.
Post #218,770 by drewk 8/11/05 9:33:37 AM Reply	Hmm, trying to find a link A router is different from a DVR. You are expected to have some control over it. IIRC there was a Linux-based DVR released, and there was some discssion over whether they needed to release the source. I'm trying to track down the references to see what came of that, but from what I read it wasn't considered a slam-dunk that they'd have to release it. Part of the difference (again IIRC) was if you put the code on a non-flashable chip. Will try to find a reference to what I'm remembering. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #218,781 by broomberg 8/11/05 10:45:42 AM Reply	TIVO And they released the Linux portion. [link\|http://www.tivo.com/linux/linux.asp\|http://www.tivo.com/linux/linux.asp]
Post #218,791 by drewk 8/11/05 11:09:44 AM Reply	Wasn't there a camp saying they had to release everything? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #218,800 by bepatient 8/11/05 12:02:29 PM Reply	Big thread... started by Stallman is [link\|http://groups-beta.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_frm/thread/f609586bfde52161/6fd696df5f70379a?lnk=st&q=Tivo+source+code+release&rnum=1&hl=en#6fd696df5f70379a\|here.] If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #218,801 by altmann 8/11/05 12:14:20 PM Reply	Classic RMS presents the question to the newsgroup, a TiVO guy says "You could just ask!" 7 posts in and tells everyone where they can get the source (on CD) and for how much ($24.95) and everyone else spends the next 100+ posts bitching about the price. -- Chris Altmann
Post #218,807 by drewk 8/11/05 12:26:59 PM Reply	That's all about price, though Mentioned in passing was that they only have to distribute source for the stuff they modified. Is that the case? If I produced an embedded app like a TIVO and only installed completely unmodified Linux on it, and a custom app written in (for example) C++, would I have to make the source available for the unmodified OS I was using? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #218,808 by broomberg 8/11/05 12:29:10 PM Reply	Applications that ride along do not need to be open source.
Post #218,813 by drewk 8/11/05 1:08:58 PM Reply	This is starting to sound like fertile ground for lawyers === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #218,814 by inthane-chan 8/11/05 1:26:55 PM Reply	ObSentientLRPD: It got me an A+ on a biology paper.
Post #218,815 by Another Scott 8/11/05 1:47:42 PM Reply	If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Post #218,827 by folkert 8/11/05 2:31:15 PM Reply	Been that way for many internet EONs. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #218,853 by inthane-chan 8/11/05 4:11:19 PM Reply	Today, you dance for my amusement.
Post #218,843 by admin 8/11/05 3:43:07 PM Reply	Keeping you in touch with temptation. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #218,851 by Ashton 8/11/05 3:59:43 PM Reply	Hello! Woody! Do you want join in vehement athletics?

Made up my mind, the FSF *is* anti-business - (drewk) - (30) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:57:50 PM EDT

Okay Skip^H^H^H^HBrett^H^H^H^H^HDrew. - (folkert) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:40:55 PM EDT

Too right - (pwhysall) - Aug. 10, 2005, 05:03:02 PM EDT

Okay, here it is - (drewk) - (27) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:04:51 AM EDT

Whattaya talking about? - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:54:46 AM EDT

Hmm, trying to find a link - (drewk) - (13) - Aug. 11, 2005, 09:33:37 AM EDT

TIVO - (broomberg) - (12) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:45:42 AM EDT

Wasn't there a camp saying they had to release everything? -NT - (drewk) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:09:44 AM EDT

Big thread... - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:02:29 PM EDT

Classic - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:14:20 PM EDT

That's all about price, though - (drewk) - (8) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:26:59 PM EDT

Applications that ride along do not need to be open source. -NT - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:29:10 PM EDT

This is starting to sound like fertile ground for lawyers -NT - (drewk) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:08:58 PM EDT

ObSentientLRPD: It got me an A+ on a biology paper. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:26:55 PM EDT

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:47:42 PM EDT

Been that way for many internet EONs. -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 02:31:15 PM EDT

Today, you dance for my amusement. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:11:19 PM EDT

Keeping you in touch with temptation. -NT - (admin) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:43:07 PM EDT

Hello! Woody! Do you want join in vehement athletics? -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:59:43 PM EDT

Here is a better example - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:52:28 PM EDT

Now *that* kind of "web service" *is* a loophole - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 05:45:57 PM EDT

No, it is a loophole - see my reply to bepatient -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:58 PM EDT

FWIW, Asterisk can be commercially licensed -NT - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:09:41 PM EDT

Not really. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EDT

Nope, they are not - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:33 PM EDT

Re: Nope, they are not - (bepatient) - (5) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:04:26 PM EDT

The source of my impression... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:28:28 PM EDT

Thats fine - (bepatient) - (3) - Aug. 12, 2005, 09:19:39 AM EDT

I believe that they are not actually violating the license - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:29:52 AM EDT

Still in wait and see mode! - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2005, 02:24:07 PM EDT

Not so pointless - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 21, 2005, 10:14:30 PM EDT

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