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Post #98,197

4/23/03 11:02:31 AM

No, that's all backwards

Also - jack the damn fines into the stratosphere. If you knew you would get a ticket at $100 per MPH over the limit, you'd think twice about driving like an idiot.

It's all about volume. They'd rather have 100 people pay fines of $100 than 10 people pay fines of $1000. It seems counter-intuitive, but would you bother fighting a $100 ticket for something you actually did? Now would you fight a $1000 ticket, even if you did it?

Don't believe me? Look at DUI (which conincidentally this thread started about). Every time someone wants to get tougher on DUI they do it by lowering the threshhold, not by toughening the punishment. The people who weren't deterred by the existing fine at 0.10 won't be deterred at 0.08. All the changes do is criminalize more behavior.

I started out thinking this was going to be a sarcastic post, but I realize the pattern is all too common. You don't prove you're tough on crime by being tougher on the existing criminals, you do it by making more people criminals.

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Post #98,200

Picture of deSitter

4/23/03 11:08:29 AM

Damn - you're right

Stupid me, forgetting it was about ticket revenue.

Okay, next try: Leave the tickets alone, make people look at grisly photos of accident victims as part of their penance. Keep the same fines, but require a visit to the local horror chamber kept at the nearest cop shop. Ever seen a newly dead person wearing his transmission? Not something you're likely to forget.

Oh, charge admission, too.

-drl

Light is heavy:
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Heavy is light:
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Joe Biden's in trouble. - (marlowe) - (110) - April 17, 2003, 08:20:54 PM EDT

Re: Joe Biden's in trouble. - (rcareaga) - (104) - April 18, 2003, 12:06:57 AM EDT

Now why on earth would that hit a nerve with you? - (marlowe) - (17) - April 20, 2003, 06:35:56 PM EDT

wrong again, marlowe - (rcareaga) - (16) - April 21, 2003, 01:49:42 AM EDT

Wasted reasoning, I fear - - (Ashton) - April 21, 2003, 05:49:42 AM EDT

No, I was speaking of anything that impairs judgement... - (marlowe) - (14) - April 21, 2003, 08:48:20 AM EDT

That second link kills Galeon. -NT - (pwhysall) - April 21, 2003, 09:03:45 AM EDT

Motes, beams - (rcareaga) - April 21, 2003, 09:52:21 AM EDT

and there is the still-unassailable argument - (rcareaga) - April 21, 2003, 10:22:43 AM EDT

In that case, Marlowe...PUT THAT BEER DOWN!!! NOW!!! - (jb4) - (9) - April 21, 2003, 10:38:45 AM EDT

Too late. :) -NT - (inthane-chan) - April 21, 2003, 10:41:15 AM EDT

And the cigarette! - (jbrabeck) - (1) - April 21, 2003, 10:54:01 AM EDT

And stop going to Church. -NT - (Silverlock) - April 21, 2003, 12:06:51 PM EDT

Nice try. I don't drink. - (marlowe) - (5) - April 21, 2003, 07:19:07 PM EDT

theres your solution, whats yer problem again? -NT - (boxley) - April 21, 2003, 07:25:19 PM EDT

Somehow - that doesn't surprise me. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - April 21, 2003, 07:29:08 PM EDT

No doubt - he's the Churchlady - (deSitter) - April 21, 2003, 10:41:54 PM EDT

You don't drink. You also... - (rcareaga) - April 21, 2003, 10:49:10 PM EDT

Well. you should. -NT - (pwhysall) - April 22, 2003, 02:45:52 AM EDT

Fix your HTML please. - (a6l6e6x) - April 21, 2003, 02:09:30 PM EDT

My RKJ. - (mmoffitt) - (85) - April 21, 2003, 02:32:57 PM EDT

Gee, we have a certified physiologist in our ranks! - (jb4) - (16) - April 21, 2003, 04:22:55 PM EDT

Since every study on that backs me up... - (mmoffitt) - (15) - April 22, 2003, 04:31:06 PM EDT

Re: Since every study on that backs me up... - (deSitter) - (14) - April 22, 2003, 04:55:05 PM EDT

Are you disputing where THC binds in the brain? - (mmoffitt) - (13) - April 22, 2003, 04:57:13 PM EDT

Re: Are you disputing where THC binds in the brain? - (deSitter) - (2) - April 22, 2003, 05:00:01 PM EDT

Better idea. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 22, 2003, 05:00:43 PM EDT

Makes more sense than banning a plant. -NT - (Silverlock) - April 22, 2003, 09:00:10 PM EDT

What I will dispute is the generalities: - (jb4) - (9) - April 23, 2003, 03:54:54 PM EDT

Methinks your reading with bias. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - April 24, 2003, 11:42:44 AM EDT

Decriminalize != legalize - (jb4) - (7) - April 24, 2003, 04:34:05 PM EDT

Perhaps. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - April 25, 2003, 02:25:39 PM EDT

(sigh) but mmoffit... - (rcareaga) - (5) - April 25, 2003, 03:40:28 PM EDT

Thanks. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - April 25, 2003, 03:36:05 PM EDT

Re: Thanks. - (rcareaga) - (3) - April 25, 2003, 04:04:22 PM EDT

Mom was in the car w/the 3 friends. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - April 25, 2003, 04:49:20 PM EDT

Re: Mom was in the car w/the 3 friends. - (deSitter) - (1) - April 25, 2003, 04:58:32 PM EDT

BG driver no better, but it wasn't, was it? - (mmoffitt) - April 25, 2003, 05:13:03 PM EDT

I could introduce you to drunks - (boxley) - (1) - April 21, 2003, 04:34:52 PM EDT

Re: I could introduce you to drunks - (deSitter) - April 21, 2003, 04:39:49 PM EDT

Re: My RKJ. - (rcareaga) - (15) - April 21, 2003, 11:41:14 PM EDT

Well.. typically though - the inexperienced with [whatever] - (Ashton) - (10) - April 21, 2003, 11:42:10 PM EDT

It's not slogans, it's experience. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - April 22, 2003, 04:49:47 PM EDT

A good reason for you to try it - (Silverlock) - (6) - April 22, 2003, 04:51:34 PM EDT

I hate this topic. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - April 22, 2003, 04:53:54 PM EDT

Hey there - (deSitter) - April 22, 2003, 04:57:01 PM EDT

You haven't lost any friends. - (Silverlock) - April 22, 2003, 08:53:55 PM EDT

Nope. You're wrong. - (Another Scott) - April 22, 2003, 09:26:28 PM EDT

Thanks everybody :-) - (mmoffitt) - April 22, 2003, 09:40:53 PM EDT

no worries, lets give Jake a job to do (too old for google) - (boxley) - April 22, 2003, 10:50:49 PM EDT

While I agree with much of what you are saying... - (screamer) - (1) - April 22, 2003, 05:23:46 PM EDT

Wot 'ee said. - (inthane-chan) - April 22, 2003, 05:47:06 PM EDT

On one point, I wasn't clear. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - April 22, 2003, 04:39:28 PM EDT

Well, aren't we a spunky young feller! - (rcareaga) - (2) - April 22, 2003, 04:57:11 PM EDT

That's my motto. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 22, 2003, 04:59:42 PM EDT

Re: That's my motto. - (rcareaga) - April 22, 2003, 10:31:15 PM EDT

Right impulse, wrong instantiation. - (admin) - (49) - April 22, 2003, 05:16:44 PM EDT

What he said -NT - (Silverlock) - April 22, 2003, 08:57:31 PM EDT

People want to be able to measure things. - (Another Scott) - (47) - April 22, 2003, 09:41:39 PM EDT

You know what I've always found interesting re: auto safety? - (mmoffitt) - (41) - April 22, 2003, 09:47:03 PM EDT

What you've always found interesting - (rcareaga) - (36) - April 22, 2003, 10:55:53 PM EDT

It's like flying. - (mmoffitt) - (35) - April 23, 2003, 11:36:28 AM EDT

Re: It's like flying. - (rcareaga) - (34) - April 23, 2003, 01:29:50 PM EDT

But ... but ... but ... - (drewk) - April 23, 2003, 01:45:50 PM EDT

Nice try. - (mmoffitt) - (32) - April 23, 2003, 03:29:20 PM EDT

Re: Nice try. - (rcareaga) - (31) - April 23, 2003, 04:56:07 PM EDT

Very nicely said! - (jb4) - April 23, 2003, 05:46:09 PM EDT

Perhaps my attempt at levity did betray something more... - (mmoffitt) - (29) - April 24, 2003, 11:26:02 AM EDT

Sounds to me like... - (admin) - (1) - April 24, 2003, 11:38:07 AM EDT

That might help. - (mmoffitt) - April 24, 2003, 11:43:50 AM EDT

That's an argument for education, not banning - (drewk) - (2) - April 24, 2003, 11:49:32 AM EDT

QED. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 24, 2003, 12:03:27 PM EDT

Wow, talk about missing the point - (drewk) - April 24, 2003, 01:37:45 PM EDT

the breadth of your sample - (rcareaga) - (23) - April 24, 2003, 12:09:24 PM EDT

In the absence of any counter-example, what should I do? - (mmoffitt) - (22) - April 24, 2003, 12:28:40 PM EDT

Re: In the absence of any counter-example, what should I do? - (rcareaga) - (21) - April 24, 2003, 12:59:21 PM EDT

Closer, but that's not really my position. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - April 24, 2003, 01:17:10 PM EDT

"Anything not prohibited is required." - (drewk) - (5) - April 24, 2003, 01:47:39 PM EDT

That, and... - (admin) - April 24, 2003, 01:59:25 PM EDT

I see. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - April 24, 2003, 02:47:54 PM EDT

Mike - (jake123) - (1) - April 24, 2003, 03:00:33 PM EDT

I would not be surprised at their number. - (mmoffitt) - April 24, 2003, 03:44:06 PM EDT

Try responding to what I actually said - (drewk) - April 24, 2003, 03:21:49 PM EDT

OK, work with me here - (rcareaga) - (13) - April 24, 2003, 03:06:29 PM EDT

Nomination for Post of the Day! Congrats! - (Another Scott) - April 24, 2003, 03:14:37 PM EDT

A request for enlightenment. - (mmoffitt) - (11) - April 24, 2003, 04:05:37 PM EDT

Responsible means: not harming others. - (admin) - April 24, 2003, 04:13:23 PM EDT

Marijuana use - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - April 24, 2003, 04:28:01 PM EDT

They aren't advocates... - (bepatient) - (2) - April 24, 2003, 10:19:29 PM EDT

Good Christ! We agree. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 25, 2003, 10:49:05 AM EDT

Sort of, yes we do. - (bepatient) - April 25, 2003, 11:02:36 AM EDT

What if the answer is "none"? What then? - (drewk) - April 24, 2003, 05:15:19 PM EDT

Re: A request for enlightenment. - (rcareaga) - April 24, 2003, 06:45:50 PM EDT

NORML on "responsible use" (new thread) - (Another Scott) - April 24, 2003, 10:15:41 PM EDT

Re: A request for enlightenment. - (Ashton) - (1) - April 25, 2003, 04:02:43 AM EDT

Cohort-LRPD: Escape from the prison planet! -NT - (Ashton) - April 25, 2003, 05:30:52 AM EDT

Responsible Users - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:53:55 AM EDT

2001 US stats from NHTSA.gov - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 22, 2003, 11:30:10 PM EDT

Re: 2001 US stats from NHTSA.gov - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 23, 2003, 12:48:24 AM EDT

There ya go - (deSitter) - April 23, 2003, 10:20:01 AM EDT

Re: slow down - (bbronson) - April 23, 2003, 05:07:42 PM EDT

Er... we already do it that way. - (admin) - (4) - April 22, 2003, 10:56:05 PM EDT

True. Good points. - (Another Scott) - April 22, 2003, 11:32:39 PM EDT

Re: Er... we already do it that way. - (deSitter) - (2) - April 23, 2003, 10:24:13 AM EDT

No, that's all backwards - (drewk) - (1) - April 23, 2003, 11:02:31 AM EDT

Damn - you're right - (deSitter) - April 23, 2003, 11:08:29 AM EDT

too much recreational drug usage? - (boxley) - April 18, 2003, 12:16:27 AM EDT

If absence of drugs creates marlowes amongst the - (Ashton) - April 18, 2003, 02:26:30 AM EDT

One question - (tjsinclair) - (1) - April 18, 2003, 09:24:21 AM EDT

Whether or not they "mean it" is secondary - (bbronson) - April 18, 2003, 11:07:20 AM EDT

So why is Biden in trouble for proposing such a law... - (Simon_Jester) - April 18, 2003, 12:30:08 PM EDT

I guess you can't gargle with it.
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