Post #93,802
4/2/03 3:30:07 PM
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Not quite
Follow LAWFUL orders of your superior.
Tell me to attack Iraq, gotta do it. Tell me to shoot non-combatants, gotta refuse.
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Post #93,805
4/2/03 3:42:31 PM
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Yep
I don't know if they still do it, but when I was in you had to attend a class on exactly that subject. Your duty includes refusing to follow an illegal order. The class taught you how to do that in a lawful (UCMJ) manner.
The world is only a simple place to the simple.
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Post #93,808
4/2/03 4:02:08 PM
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Have we moved on? If not........
In your wildest dreams..... wanna tell us what the fuck a supplies clerk was doing shooting non-combatants?
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Post #93,810
4/2/03 4:04:20 PM
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Here's a question
What was a supply clerk doing in a hot zone?
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Post #93,812
4/2/03 4:08:33 PM
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I want to say.....
....her team took a wrong turn. But heck that's only what our utterly unreliable press have reported.
Failing that....let's say she was ordered to be there to do supply clerking stuff (is that illegal?).
Good question though.
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Post #93,815
4/2/03 4:13:18 PM
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Legal -Illegal
Failing that....let's say she was ordered to be there to do supply clerking stuff (is that illegal?).
Yes, that is a legal order, one that she was/is complied to obey.
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Post #93,818
4/2/03 4:14:50 PM
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I think we're on the same page
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Post #93,813
4/2/03 4:09:39 PM
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Wondered that myself.
I don't know what her duties are.
Since she was attached to a maintenance unit, perhaps it was something along the lines of recording supplies used/needed for maintenance.
They were in a hot zone because they took a wrong turn on their way to fix something. Helluva wrong turn. :-P
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-scott anderson
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Post #93,814
4/2/03 4:10:41 PM
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Someone has to resupply the front lines...
Or do you mean "Why has the military failed to advance a pace where they could secure the supply lines"?
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Post #93,819
4/2/03 4:16:34 PM
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That's pretty much directly where that question takes you
The only conclusion that I can come up with is that the planning didn't include any contingency planning: as in, "what happens if there is no rebellion against Hussein by the population at large?"
Considering the noises coming out of the career military folks, I suspect that question got asked, but was dismissed by the People In Charge.
The right way to use a military is to say "here's the goal; figure out how to do it. Keep me briefed." I don't think that's how it happened.
This is the kind of thing that happens when decisions are driven by ideology rather than actual pragmatism.
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Post #93,811
4/2/03 4:07:06 PM
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Start at the beginning of the thread...
It was said that she had a choice of being there. She didn't. Had to follow legal orders. Example was provided to show the difference between a legal order, attack Iraq and an illegal order, shoot non-combatants.
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Post #93,816
4/2/03 4:14:14 PM
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All I was saying was....
...I think the issue of illegal vs. legal orders is not especially germaine to the situation which PFC Lynch found herself in.
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Post #93,823
4/2/03 4:42:27 PM
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Oops... Will edit to be Correct...
I meant that too... How the HELL did I miss putting that IN...
/me slaps forehead.
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