problem with an all vol army is hessianism

Post #93,648 by boxley 4/1/03 10:37:30 PM Reply	problem with an all vol army is hessianism the elite (and people like mike here) think they are mercenaries, wakenhut folks with better equipment. Rent a cops with tanks. Easier to despise or treat servilely. This explains a lot of the protesters. They are not protesting the war as much as protesting the regime. As far as needless killing does it make a difference if a baath party dog kills civilians or US troops, they would die anyway by atrocity for the grins and giggles of the sadaamites. Is their life any worse under the invasion? Short time yes. Long term it might make a huge difference. Dont want to support American men and women who think they are fight for truth justice and the american way? Then support them for doing their jobs efficiently like the garbagemen sewer workers and corrections officers who without our lifes would be more miserable than they already are, thanx. bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #93,660 by Brandioch 4/1/03 11:21:10 PM Reply	Here's a free clue: don't bet your savings on that. As far as needless killing does it make a difference if a baath party dog kills civilians or US troops, they would die anyway by atrocity for the grins and giggles of the sadaamites. Check Afghanistan. While a brutal dictatorship does have its flaws, it is still better than warlordism or civil war. We don't even have a PLAN for helping these people build a better life for themselves. All we have is the belief that they'll be happier serving us than they were under their old regime. Is their life any worse under the invasion? Short time yes. Well, at least you aren't TOTALLY clueless. Long term it might make a huge difference. Then again, it might not. And on the other hand, it might make their lives even worse. Dont want to support American men and women who think they are fight for truth justice and the american way? And now turn that around a bit. Would you support Norman in his idiotic fantasies? I don't care WHAT some idiot THINKS they're fighting for. Wasn't that what got us into Afghanistan? Some idiots who THOUGHT they were fighting for their version of truth and justice (not the American Way). Then support them for doing their jobs efficiently like the garbagemen sewer workers and corrections officers who without our lifes would be more miserable than they already are, thanx. So those Iraqi civilians are "garbage" or "sewage"? Why not take 10% of the cost of this war (about $7.5 BILLION) and spend it on helping the people who WANT to help their people? Why haven't we helped the Kurds establish a proto-Democracy in all those years we've been "protecting" them from Saddam? Why haven't we even bothered to educate the average Iraqi on WHY his government sucks so much and what OPTIONS he has. This isn't about helping the Iraqis. This is about Bush using our military so we can control the oil in Iraq.
Post #93,662 by boxley 4/1/03 11:45:11 PM Reply	heres a free clue Our servicemenand women in Iraq did not ask to be there. If you dont want to support them because thaey are idealists, support them as you would garbagemen. So you do not support garbage collectors? Do you leave nothing behind? you dont take dumps? or do you think it doesnt smell so you take your dumps in the street and let the rain disolve it. I did not in anyway equate the iraqi people with certain occupations I equated the service being done to the government of america by its personnel. If you want to educate the Iraqi people by all means go there and do so. Let us know how you make out. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #93,770 by Brandioch 4/2/03 1:12:50 PM Reply	"...support them as you would garbagemen." I do. You should see what I'd do if our current regime decided to put $75 BILLION into waste disposal for no justifiable reason. So you do not support garbage collectors? I pay them to take the trash that I put out. Do I "support" them in other ways? No. I did not in anyway equate the iraqi people with certain occupations I equated the service being done to the government of america by its personnel. Garbagemen remove garbage. If you want to equate the military to garbagemen, then SOMEONE is going to be the garbage. Right now it looks like someone's throwing away some civilians.
Post #93,683 by mmoffitt 4/2/03 7:27:52 AM Reply	That's great box. As far as needless killing does it make a difference if a baath party dog kills civilians or US troops,... So you either just made my point or at the very least showed us what standard of behavior our troops are living up to. bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,825 by boxley 4/2/03 4:43:39 PM Reply	so auswitz camp guards and allied airmen are the same? I think the guards killed the inmates for heinous reasons, any civilians that died in the bombings were casualties attributed to their political leadership. Same case here. Any and all civilian casualties are directly attributable to hussein et al. Here is a liberal (one) point of view on the war. [link\|http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030401-32833666.htm\|http://www.washtimes...0401-32833666.htm] thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #93,834 by mmoffitt 4/2/03 5:10:43 PM Reply	Heh. The Washington Times, a bastion of liberal thought. I haven't forgotten the gassings, hell, it was the current crop that called Saddam "the leading force for moderation in the region" at the time he was doing the gassing. I just don't think that our gassing is any better than theirs. You don't overcome adversaries by becoming just like them. bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,874 by boxley 4/2/03 7:40:34 PM Reply	I know but the columnist is a bonafide demoleft will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #93,924 by mmoffitt 4/2/03 10:39:21 PM Reply	Democrat != Left. Sorry to disappoint. bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,931 by boxley 4/2/03 10:46:20 PM Reply	self described card carrying liberal member carter admin will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #93,934 by mmoffitt 4/2/03 10:53:02 PM Reply	Again, Carter != Left. Although admittedly he was closer than anyone in Murican recent history. What most fail to understand is that the Southern Leadership Conference wing of the Democratic Party IS THE FAR RIGHT OF THAT PARTY. Making them, at best, middle of the road. It's just that when compared to the goose-steppers on the Right, they look wildly Left. bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,938 by boxley 4/2/03 10:57:03 PM Reply	nononononono communists all :-) will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths

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