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Post #62,761 by bepatient 11/13/02 10:30:58 PM Reply	One other question. How would school vouchers redistribute wealth upwards? I really want to hear this..considering the first proposal for vouchers in the 70s was proposed by Christopher Jencks (a liberal) to do exactly the opposite. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #62,772 by boxley 11/14/02 12:11:11 AM Reply	I dont know about upwards but it sure does sideways around here. A local school is missing 96k the founder has 26 convictions for fraud and forgery. [link\|http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2002/11/13/Opinion/Tossing_McKay_dollars.shtml\|http://www.stpetersb...Kay_dollars.shtml] now I will agree wih you that oversite is needed. The biggest problem with public schools is mainstreaming and sweathogs. I think we need to aknowledge that kids who have no incentive or interest to learn and only wish to cause interuptions to the kids that do want to learn need separate facilities. Iam not speaking so much for special ed as those kids for whatever reason makes the teacher spend 90% of her time dealing with them and 10% dealing with teaching the other kids. A free public education is guarrantied in many state constitions. I think there is room for separate but equal based on behavioral conditions. If there is a legit medicl reason you are mainstreamed. If you are a ADD wanna be gangbanger piece of shit sweathog class. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." Correction: All that can be achieved with 51 percent of the voters!" Ilanna Mercer
Post #62,777 by bepatient 11/14/02 1:16:55 AM Reply	damned radical those kids deserve to be in mandated small class sizes with smart kids. How politically incorrect of you to suggest otherwise. Hell..all you have to do is socially promote them (so as to not make them feel bad about themselves for gasp failing)...they'll gragerate. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

do the apologists want to explain here? - (boxley) - (110) - Nov. 6, 2002, 08:34:59 AM EST

First you're right....But you're wrong - (jb4) - (109) - Nov. 6, 2002, 09:01:30 AM EST

Ditto. -NT - (Brandioch) - Nov. 6, 2002, 09:13:27 AM EST

voted against the class size ammendment and demo for gov - (boxley) - (103) - Nov. 6, 2002, 10:11:14 AM EST

Great ideas....bad laws - (bepatient) - (102) - Nov. 6, 2002, 12:36:53 PM EST

Bullshit. - (mmoffitt) - (101) - Nov. 6, 2002, 03:17:56 PM EST

Hmm... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2002, 03:27:01 PM EST

Re: Hmm... ___[argument impossible here] - (Ashton) - Nov. 7, 2002, 10:22:37 PM EST

It Is All Fear - (deSitter) - (4) - Nov. 6, 2002, 03:27:41 PM EST

it may well end up in open class warfare - (boxley) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2002, 05:28:41 PM EST

Box-this sounds positively Left-Wing! - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 6, 2002, 05:45:30 PM EST

Contrary to popular belief... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2002, 05:51:13 PM EST

close enough when both the left and the right want to lock - (boxley) - Nov. 6, 2002, 07:06:48 PM EST

Oh puleaze - (bepatient) - (93) - Nov. 6, 2002, 05:39:07 PM EST

Ross ain't all wrong. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (92) - Nov. 7, 2002, 10:33:45 AM EST

But in this case, you certainly are. -NT - (bepatient) - (91) - Nov. 7, 2002, 10:03:31 PM EST

How can I be wrong about my own observations? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (90) - Nov. 11, 2002, 11:10:08 PM EST

Better wrong than.. too far Right, no? -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 12, 2002, 06:18:58 AM EST

Okay. Count them. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2002, 03:48:58 PM EST

Well... - (folkert) - Nov. 17, 2002, 01:20:49 AM EST

never mind -NT - (bepatient) - (86) - Nov. 12, 2002, 08:22:50 AM EST

Yup.. mindless threads just grow__ like - (Ashton) - (85) - Nov. 12, 2002, 06:26:09 PM EST

Disprove it then, cowards. Give a Repo as a counter-example. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (84) - Nov. 12, 2002, 08:44:37 PM EST

sorry what are you refering to? -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 12, 2002, 10:00:01 PM EST

These (examples) are Legion, of course.. - (Ashton) - (81) - Nov. 12, 2002, 10:01:05 PM EST

Stick it up.... - (bepatient) - (52) - Nov. 13, 2002, 02:06:36 AM EST

Well, then, take up mmoffitt's challenge - (jb4) - (51) - Nov. 13, 2002, 09:15:42 AM EST

Start at the top (f*****g bog) - (bepatient) - (50) - Nov. 13, 2002, 11:07:17 AM EST

Re: Start at the top (f*****g bog) - (deSitter) - (49) - Nov. 13, 2002, 11:17:14 AM EST

No it wasn't. - (bepatient) - (48) - Nov. 13, 2002, 12:57:52 PM EST

Minor correction: - (jb4) - (47) - Nov. 13, 2002, 02:23:02 PM EST

<i>Zing!</i> - (deSitter) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2002, 02:25:46 PM EST

I like tomatoes. - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2002, 02:51:03 PM EST

Guess you can't read. - (bepatient) - (43) - Nov. 13, 2002, 02:49:41 PM EST

I can - (deSitter) - (8) - Nov. 13, 2002, 05:01:28 PM EST

Well maybe... - (bepatient) - (7) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:09:33 PM EST

Beep, sorry, gotta disagree here... - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Nov. 13, 2002, 07:21:58 PM EST

Exactly who are you disgreeing with? - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:20:22 PM EST

Mea culpa. - (inthane-chan) - (4) - Nov. 13, 2002, 07:22:47 PM EST

Well... - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2002, 07:32:39 PM EST

That's what I get for jumping in the middle of a thread... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2002, 09:39:05 PM EST

Oh, it's hardly a fluke... - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 08:49:36 AM EST

Hey - I didn't say it was THEIR fluke... :P -NT - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 15, 2002, 10:46:26 AM EST

Pshaw, BeeP - (Ashton) - (5) - Nov. 13, 2002, 05:27:43 PM EST

If you have a point... - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 13, 2002, 05:34:37 PM EST

Yes, in fact it seems that they Are: wannabes. Thou sayest. - (Ashton) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:00:02 PM EST

o0o -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:22:02 PM EST

Parochial minds everywhere salute thy speechlessness.oO0Oo. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:26:32 PM EST

Hey bud...tried to bring you on subject... - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2002, 06:28:07 PM EST

I guess I can write better than you can read. - (jb4) - (27) - Nov. 14, 2002, 07:26:49 PM EST

So "you" doesn't actually mean me when you're talking... - (bepatient) - (26) - Nov. 14, 2002, 10:00:59 PM EST

So, does improved test scores == better education? - (jb4) - (25) - Nov. 15, 2002, 08:58:11 AM EST

Until you offer a better methodology... - (bepatient) - (24) - Nov. 15, 2002, 12:00:14 PM EST

Platitudes, platitudes, platitudes! - (jb4) - (23) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:27:17 PM EST

*sigh* - Alternatives? -NT - (bepatient) - (17) - Nov. 15, 2002, 02:06:04 PM EST

How about... - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 15, 2002, 02:25:16 PM EST

*sigh*2 - Alternatives? - (bepatient) - (15) - Nov. 15, 2002, 02:46:04 PM EST

? - (mmoffitt) - (14) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:07:39 PM EST

I didn't read it that way - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:32:55 PM EST

*clap* -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:38:41 PM EST

Not quite. - (bepatient) - (11) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:38:00 PM EST

But not your implicit presumption throughout: - (Ashton) - (10) - Nov. 15, 2002, 06:58:09 PM EST

Xactly. Well said. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2002, 11:52:14 AM EST

It might very well have been. - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 16, 2002, 01:52:16 PM EST

Notwithstanding this thread's length, - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2002, 04:40:00 PM EST

I doubt that very much. - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:33:28 PM EST

How about a *civilized* population, while we're at it ?? - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2002, 12:36:22 AM EST

Priceless - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2002, 02:53:52 PM EST

We have no? little disagreement re Basics - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2002, 09:19:23 PM EST

No, 'saying it' won't. - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2002, 07:08:27 PM EST

What do you prefer? - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2002, 09:11:10 PM EST

Re: What do you prefer? - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2002, 12:57:54 AM EST

As an aside, what's with diagramming anyway? - (wharris2) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2002, 04:30:29 PM EST

Re: As an aside, what's with diagramming anyway? - (jb4) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:09:32 AM EST

Re: As an aside, what's with diagramming anyway? - (deSitter) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:22:06 AM EST

Yahoo! - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:38:31 AM EST

Re: Yahoo! - (deSitter) - Nov. 18, 2002, 10:54:57 AM EST

VERY Nicely done. Thank you. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 13, 2002, 08:18:48 PM EST

Apologies. But here is our fork. - (mmoffitt) - (27) - Nov. 13, 2002, 08:42:34 PM EST

ROFLMAO! I wrote the above before reading BP's last! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 13, 2002, 08:46:26 PM EST

All of that...an rofl... - (bepatient) - (19) - Nov. 13, 2002, 10:23:51 PM EST

Hmmmm. - (mmoffitt) - (18) - Nov. 14, 2002, 11:20:38 AM EST

Allow me to disagree. - (Simon_Jester) - (17) - Nov. 14, 2002, 11:31:26 AM EST

True, the real culprit is US. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2002, 11:57:13 AM EST

Figures. Throw money at it. - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2002, 12:11:21 PM EST

You think the current salary is just right? - (Silverlock) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2002, 01:44:20 PM EST

Don't even try that. - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:02:45 PM EST

Nothing "blind" about it - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:41:36 PM EST

See under boxley. - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:06:45 PM EST

May I add one... - (screamer) - (10) - Nov. 14, 2002, 01:05:33 PM EST

Ever the optimist still...eh DR? - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 14, 2002, 01:56:24 PM EST

I basically agree, but would make one distinction... - (screamer) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:14:51 PM EST

Damned earthquakes... - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:39:35 PM EST

Another reason - slippery slope. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:15:17 PM EST

However you categorize it.... - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:46:43 PM EST

Hardly the only reason against vouchers. - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:31:45 PM EST

A minor nit... - (screamer) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 04:25:18 PM EST

No argument - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 14, 2002, 04:46:36 PM EST

Re: same rules and regs - (Silverlock) - Nov. 14, 2002, 04:41:39 PM EST

I stand corrected: we Can still create an informative thread - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2002, 11:29:15 PM EST

One other question. - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2002, 10:30:58 PM EST

I dont know about upwards but it sure does sideways around - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 12:11:11 AM EST

damned radical - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2002, 01:16:55 AM EST

Proof! - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2002, 11:32:10 PM EST

rofl -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2002, 01:13:41 AM EST

Re: But here is our fork - make that skewer. Here's mine- - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2002, 05:56:09 AM EST

Here's one.... - (screamer) - Nov. 14, 2002, 12:20:15 PM EST

As a Democrat - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2002, 12:51:47 PM EST

Say-WHAT?!? - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 6, 2002, 01:46:11 PM EST

he will do the same thing democrat tony knowles did in AK - (boxley) - Nov. 6, 2002, 02:03:09 PM EST

Give Jeb credit... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 6, 2002, 02:15:54 PM EST

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