Take it elsewhere...

Post #53,629 by ChrisR 9/27/02 10:44:14 PM Reply	Take it elsewhere... Qualifies as childish and boring. Go somewhere else and troll.
Post #53,631 by deSitter 9/27/02 11:19:16 PM Reply	Re: Take it elsewhere... I'm fairly sure it was Norm that wrote that. -drl
Post #53,633 by boxley 9/27/02 11:21:18 PM Reply	seconded will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #53,656 by bepatient 9/28/02 1:57:13 AM Reply	Doesn't change my response This is no place for that. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #53,715 by Another Scott 9/28/02 11:16:34 AM Reply	Doesn't seem like NK's writing to me. Compare with, e.g. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=52731\|Excuse Me]. Orion almost always includes (at least one) statement ending with a question mark in his posts. Either way, I agree that it's highly inappropriate. Regards, Scott.
Post #53,883 by orion 9/29/02 11:05:24 PM 9/29/02 11:06:38 PM Reply	Not me, but it disturbs me greatly as they seem to know a bit about me, not a lot, but enough to creep me out. If what they are saying is true, which I highly doubt, there is not much I can do about it anyway. Dupe post, please ignore. Apparently I am having timeout issues again with my DSL? Oh joy! *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]* Edited by orion Sept. 29, 2002, 11:06:38 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #53,884 by orion 9/29/02 11:05:48 PM Reply	Not me, but it disturbs me greatly as they seem to know a bit about me, not a lot, but enough to creep me out. If what they are saying is true, which I highly doubt, there is not much I can do about it anyway. But what do I know? *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #53,904 by deSitter 9/30/02 4:12:33 AM Reply	No, the actual telltale sign.. ..is the use of the word "lawfirm" as one word. Of course it's "law firm". Confer here [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=40644\|http://z.iwethey.or...tentid=40644] and here [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/15/12521/171\|http://www.kuro5hin...15/12521/171] etc. etc. I could point out other stylistic similarities but it would be superfluous. I am shocked at this kind of behavior from an adult. -drl
Post #53,914 by orion 9/30/02 7:12:08 AM Reply	Interesting could be someone like you, looking at my previous posts, and then using them to create a post that could be mistaken for one of mine? Shocking in itself and it hurts me greatly that you did not even bother to consider that option and accused me of doing it before you had all the clues. [link\|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=lawfirm&btnG=Google+Search\|Do a Google.com search on "Lawfirm"] you will see that many other people also make this mistake. If it is in fact a mistake apparently "law firms" also use "lawfirm" instead of "law firm". You'd think that even "law firms" in the USA and other countries would understand that? Apparently words do get invented this way. :) But still DeSitter, thanks a lot. Nice to know that I still have friends that stick up for me. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #53,930 by deSitter 9/30/02 10:57:30 AM Reply	Re: Interesting Of course I am your friend - that is why I am doing this. I have a better insight now into your mental state. It's not depression, it's narcissism, and the way to fix it is to confront the narcissist. I'm confronting you. -drl
Post #54,798 by orion 10/3/02 9:50:14 PM Reply	What can I do then? I don't even love myself, I am too depressed for that. How could I be a narcissit then? I can't stand to look at myself in a mirror, I hate the way I look and want to lose weight. I hate the way that some people treat me, and I am tired of turning the other cheek all the time. So what now? *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #54,801 by boxley 10/3/02 10:03:51 PM Reply	get a scrip for androgel if your testosterone levels get amped a bit you might be less inward looking. If your doc wont prescribe call the company that makes it to see if there is a local quack giving away samples. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #54,982 by orion 10/4/02 11:12:00 PM Reply	May not be the problem I am still as hairy as ever, loss of testosterone will cause hair loss, of which I have not had none. I am still a hairy mutant. :) Besides the side-effects of androgel may not be worth using it, and may conflict with some other medicine I am currently taking for my illnesses. Thanks for the suggestion, if find out I do have a loss of testosterone I will ask my doctor about it. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #55,379 by Another Scott 10/7/02 8:22:46 PM Reply	Not quite right. I am still as hairy as ever, loss of testosterone will cause hair loss, of which I have not had none. That's not quite the way it works. Male pattern baldness is associated with the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. If you've got a low testosterone level, you're less likely to have hair loss by that mechanism. In short, being hairy is not an indication that you've got plenty of testosterone. More [link\|http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/4ec06.htm\|here] - a news blurb about Propecia: Hair count increased during the first year and was maintained in those men taking Propecia for 24 months. Men in the placebo group continued to show progressive hair loss. In an analysis of the men who were followed for up to two years, only 17 percent of men treated with Propecia demonstrated hair loss (defined as any decrease in hair count from baseline); 83 percent had the same or higher hair count. In contrast, 72 percent of the placebo group lost hair, as measured by hair count. [...] In clinical studies, side effects were uncommon and did not affect most men. A small number of men reported less desire for sex, difficulty in achieving an erection and/or a decrease in the amount of semen. Each of these effects occurred in less than two percent of men. These side effects went away in all men who discontinued therapy because of them and also disappeared in 58 percent of men who chose to continue taking Propecia. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #54,815 by deSitter 10/3/02 11:03:16 PM Reply	Re: What can I do then? I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE. EASE UP. NOW. -drl
Post #54,817 by deSitter 10/3/02 11:06:58 PM Reply	Re: What can I do then? You might also consider apologizing to these folks. -drl
Post #54,818 by bepatient 10/3/02 11:08:22 PM Reply	That would've been my suggestion. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #54,981 by orion 10/4/02 11:10:33 PM Reply	Apologizing I humbly apologize to whomever or whatever group I may have offended. I have been going through some hard times and had my medicine adjusted and lost a lot of sleep and may have said some thing that hurt some people's feelings. So if I owe you an apology, consider this one a public apology to you or whomever I owe an apology to. Can we be friends again now? *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #54,993 by deSitter 10/4/02 11:49:52 PM Reply	No An apology should be spoken like a man - as in "I'm sorry", not "I'm sorry because..." Try again, lose the excuses. -drl
Post #55,348 by orion 10/7/02 7:35:41 PM Reply	Apology again I'm sorry for my past behavior. Can you guys forgive me? No excuses. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #55,351 by boxley 10/7/02 7:38:45 PM Reply	no prob norm will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #55,354 by deSitter 10/7/02 7:44:51 PM Reply	Of Course! See how easy that was? Everyone is crazy! I should know! -drl
Post #55,372 by orion 10/7/02 8:16:13 PM Reply	There is a fine line between insanity and genius, and I have crossed it many times myself. :) *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #55,375 by imric 10/7/02 8:21:06 PM Reply	Heh - I'm still looking for the pencil to draw it with... Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,377 by deSitter 10/7/02 8:22:05 PM Reply	Bullshit That's a romantic illusion promulgated by Hollywood and cheap novels. Genius is very rarely associated with insanity - and never in the really huge examples like Einstein and Beethoven. -drl
Post #55,381 by imric 10/7/02 8:33:15 PM Reply	I dunno... I know a few true geniuses - and genius seems to engender strange personality traits... I s it not crazy because 'on them it looks good'? The [link\|http://www.student.math.uwaterloo.ca/~dajhorn/novelties/ESR%20-%20Curse%20Of%20The%20Gifted.html\|'curse of the gifted'] has social effects, too... [link\|http://www.santafecoach.com/gchallenges.htm\|More on the subject]. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,400 by Ashton 10/7/02 10:40:00 PM Reply	Very nice thanks - bookmarked. Besides, 'insanity' is always a moving language target: you are 'disciplined' when some nebulous point is attained - where what you say, do is 'scary' - thus noticed, and by a mere few.. of the Appointed Busybodies which Puritanism has decreed shall always be around us (the non-mangerial versions choose to be Cops). Ashton
Post #55,456 by ben_tilly 10/8/02 7:04:00 AM Reply	Stupid request Could you stop putting targets in your links? If I want it in a new window, I can right-click. But if I don't, I can't get that behaviour. With tabbed browsing, it opens in an inconspicuous new tab, so I generally prefer reusing the existing one. Thanks, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,468 by imric 10/8/02 8:31:58 AM Reply	Sure... Even with targets, though, if you 'open in new tab' opens targeted links in a new tab anyway... NP, though. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,479 by deSitter 10/8/02 9:46:38 AM Reply	Re: Sure... Hey, I like targets and often praised this behavior in you. But I can live without it. -drl
Post #55,562 by imric 10/8/02 7:01:08 PM Reply	Nice to be appreciated - thanks! Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,603 by deSitter 10/8/02 8:27:00 PM Reply	Re: Nice to be appreciated - thanks! Just make the first half of any linked text targeted, and the second half not. Geez, I can't believe how anal people get. Like you know, when people misspell "definately"? I FUCKING HATE THAT! SO WHOEVER YOU ARE OUT THERE MISSPELLING D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y, FUCKING CUT IT OUT, MAN! OK? OK?? FINE! -drl
Post #55,649 by deSitter 10/8/02 11:21:45 PM 10/8/02 11:30:34 PM Reply	Re: Nice to be appreciated I really have to say this - of all the people here with their marvellous talents - even those I've flamed out of trying to get them to "snap out of it!" - I've always thought you were somehow at the top of the whole lot, and never got to show it. So you are very much appreciated, and I hope you get to show it some day. -drl Edited by deSitter Oct. 8, 2002, 11:30:34 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #55,721 by imric 10/9/02 9:06:54 AM Reply	blush Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,501 by kmself 10/8/02 1:30:46 PM Reply	Targets & tags -- annoying as hell Particularly frustrating is when the current tab is (as my current one is) at the extreme right of the screen. Opening a new tab becomes an invisible operation. I usually repeat the click several times (OK, did I not hit it, is my browser frozen, is the link Javascript?...). No, it's a fucking target. Otherwise, what Ben said. I want a new window, I can make one. -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever. Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]
Post #55,547 by imric 10/8/02 6:31:23 PM Reply	shrug Tell you what. Let's vote on it. The reason I used targets was because I find it 'annoying as hell' to have to a) right click then select 'open new window', or B) hit the back button to get back to the forum - especially when I follow links 'further out'. Since opening in a new tab by right clicking DOES work on a targeted link, and DOESN'T leave a blank tab or anything, that means that it can only be 'annoying as hell' if you do a simple click on the link AND you don't mind backing up (possibly many times) to return to the forum. WHEN I am in IE (It happens, you know), non-targeted links on this forum are REALLY 'annoying as hell' to ME - no tabs even available. Opening a new tab becomes an invisible operation. I usually repeat the click several times (OK, did I not hit it, is my browser frozen, is the link Javascript?...). No, it's a fucking target. Funny, I don't see this behaviour. The closest I get to it is IF I have 'open links in background' clicked in tabbed browsing options. I didn't think it was a big deal to stop doing targeting links to new windows, but now I'm not so sure I want to stop. I think the links are better for this board; better for linking to items intended to support a point in a discussion, as opposed to a means of wandering all over the place. Tabs are still an option for those that have them (I can't duplicate the problem you seem to be having with opening targeted links in tabs). So - let's call for a vote. Who doesn't mind [link\|http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0823.kde.html\|targeted links], and [link\|http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0823.kde.html\|who finds them 'annoying as hell']? (sample links - be sure to read the whole article - multiple pages) I will change my linking behaviour according to the wishes of the community. I take extra time to make the links more useful (without having to force extra clickety-clickety-clickety requirements), believe me, I'll have no problem stopping if that's what the majority wants. PS - sorry 'bout potentially changing my mind, Ben, something about Karsten's post just rubbed me the wrong way. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,558 by drewk 10/8/02 6:52:45 PM Reply	What he's talking about At my current browser width, I can fit about eight or nine tabs across the top before they start disappearing off the right. There is a small UI widget to indicate you can scroll to the "hidden" tabs, but it's not entirely obvious if you don't go looking for it. If I already have my 9 tabs open, a tenth one won't seem to do anything as I don't see the tab and may not notice the new widet. Personally I default to opening links in the same window I'm in. If I want it in another tab or in a new window I right-click it. In cases where I do that it doesn't matter whether you've targetted the link or not. In cases where I just click it, I'm not terribly bothered by the new window if it appears. (Now that I'm using a tabbed browser, that is.) But for people with other defaults, I can understand it conflicting with their preferred settings. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #55,561 by imric 10/8/02 6:59:25 PM Reply	So - you don't mind targets? 'K.. I'm curious, though - do you see why I do it? Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,584 by drewk 10/8/02 7:40:18 PM Reply	Sure, I see why With modern browsers [cough not IE-anything] you can configure this however you want, and override this choice on a per-link basis. But if you are using IEx and the link is targetted you have no choice. There a a few fora I go to where the standard is links within the site open in the same window, outside links open a new window. I'm sure part of this is the old wisdom about how not to lose viewers, but I can also see the two advantages (when it is used responsibly): clear differentiation between internal and external links; and not having to click back through a long chain to get back to where you started. The second issue is IMO outweighed by the fact that far too many poeople don't use them responsibly. I've been to sites where every single link spawned a new window. And no, it wasn't porn, it was just poor design. (I could see the "base" link at the top of each page right above the "generator = FrontPage" metatag.) Which leaves differentiation of internal and external links. IMO people who can't already identify this through any of the multiple other UI hints won't get the difference anyway. So (man this is getting longer than I intended) while I'm not particularly annoyed with them when they are done right (and you've done them "right") I wouldn't put targets in myself, even if it didn't take any extra effort. It's like popups: the utility seems to be outweighed by the potential for abuse. Oh, take all that with [link\|http://www.saltbook.com/saltyages/yan.html\|this] or [link\|http://www.shirtcountry.com/inc/pdetail?v=1&pid=1245\|this], depending on your mood. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #55,569 by ben_tilly 10/8/02 7:11:47 PM Reply	What he said And what prompted me to make my request was doing exactly that. While navigating several pages in parallel I clicked in to IWETHEY, clicked on a link, tabbed elsewhere, came back, went, "Huh, thought I clicked" and did it again, went away, came back and said, "I know that I clicked...oh." Hence the word "stupid" in my "stupid request" title. :-) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,565 by admin 10/8/02 7:04:54 PM Reply	FWIW, I've always disliked targeted links. Because sometimes I do wish to use the same browser window. Case in point: Oracle documentation insists on using a targeted link at certain places. I don't wish to have a billion windows around. Or if I do allow the target, and it's a named target, I end up with the most recent click appearing over whatever I had navigated in that named window. Since I don't use IE (nyah nyah nyah) -- or Windows for that matter -- I just middle-click on the link when I want it to open in another window. No need even for a context menu. :-) While I do appreciate the time you spend trying to make it a better experience here, my own personal preference is for no targets. Of course, the ideal solution here is to add a user preference and parse the targets out of the links when necessary so everyone can have their favorite behavior... Bribes are acceptable, liquid bread preferred. ;-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #55,576 by imric 10/8/02 7:29:32 PM Reply	Bribes... Dang - how to get the Guinness to you w/o spoiling in the mail... I know! [link\|http://www.imrics.net/guinness/\|Cheers!] Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,578 by admin 10/8/02 7:34:15 PM Reply	Bah. Now I have to go buy some. Once the idea is set in the mind... It is by will alone I set my beer in motion. It is by the juice of hop brew that the thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stain, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my beer in motion. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #55,591 by boxley 10/8/02 7:54:11 PM Reply	If I see a link in Imric's post I know a new window will pop I am sure Karsten knows that as well. Either adjust or dont. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,602 by deSitter 10/8/02 8:16:53 PM Reply	Re: shrug Tell you what. Let's vote on it. Hey, just make the targeted links f*cking huge so people can avoid them! -drl
Post #55,606 by boxley 10/8/02 8:44:42 PM Reply	your target did not link :-) will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,611 by Another Scott 10/8/02 8:56:11 PM Reply	Can see both sides. I've only been using the tabbed browsing feature of Mozilla a day or so. I usually had about 6 Mozilla windows open when I was browsing, so having a new Target window open was neat and appreciated by me. It does make navigation a bit easier when most of your interaction is in a particular window. Now when I would normally hit Ctrl-N I instead hit Ctrl-T and minimize the clutter on the Taskbar. I'm growing quite fond of it and don't see the need for the target window myself. [...] you don't mind backing up (possibly many times) to return to the forum. WHEN I am in IE (It happens, you know), non-targeted links on this forum are REALLY 'annoying as hell' to ME - no tabs even available. (Emphasis added.) I've been to some sites that put a bunch of cruft on the browser window stack so that hitting Back doesn't go anywhere (apparently by design to try to keep me at their site). As a result, I've become quite adept at hitting the Go menu and selecting the place I want to go back to. :-) It sounds as though leaving out the target window would cause fewer problems here, but I do appreciate the thought and effort you made. Cheers, Scott.
Post #55,677 by kmself 10/9/02 3:11:41 AM 10/9/02 3:31:10 AM Reply	How to open in new windows, block target-generated windows The reason I used targets was because I find it 'annoying as hell' to have to a) right click then select 'open new window'... Middle click (or chorded left & right buttons on my laptop). Opens new tab/window in Galeon, with appropriate preferences setting. OTOH, I just ran across [link\|http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html\|this preferences setting option]: `// Override popping up new windows on target=anything. // This is now accessible in the prefs dialog, under Advanced\|Scripts&Windows. user_pref("browser.block.target_new_window", true);` I'll give that a shot and see how it works. (One browser restart later) OK, that works, confirmed it with your links, imric. So here's the deal: the browser determines behavior. The user can override presentation. And with this setting, no more new windows from target tags. ...and sorry for rubbing you wrong, but now you don't matter ;-) Oh, and nice links, BTW. -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever. Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]] Edited by kmself Oct. 9, 2002, 03:31:10 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #55,720 by imric 10/9/02 9:05:33 AM Reply	smile OK, then, no problems anymore? Ben, anyone? Heh - I'm glad I don't matter... :) Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,834 by ben_tilly 10/9/02 6:48:43 PM Reply	I can't use Karsten's solution At least not with my current email address because they have pop-ups in several places (launch a pop-up, then navigate the local frame - gets past the Mozilla logic). With Karsten's suggestion I would not be able to read my email. :-( But if I am the only person affected, I can live with a little minor irritation. (Hey, I still have to work with Microsoft products...) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,842 by imric 10/9/02 7:58:14 PM Reply	Hmmm. But you were the one to originally request me not to! I'll think of something. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,461 by boxley 10/8/02 7:51:55 AM Reply	absolutely true Im quite off brand myself and can best be described as cunning. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #55,374 by imric 10/7/02 8:19:05 PM Reply	smile With pleasure. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #55,378 by bepatient 10/7/02 8:22:29 PM Reply	Sure thing, man. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #55,391 by ben_tilly 10/7/02 9:27:41 PM Reply	Much better To me the best apology is to not do it again. If you do that, you will never again hear about this episode from me. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,401 by Ashton 10/7/02 10:42:44 PM Reply	De nada.
Post #55,446 by Steve Lowe 10/8/02 3:44:48 AM Reply	Yes, and Thanks. ----- Steve
Post #55,040 by ben_tilly 10/5/02 7:36:01 AM Reply	A tip We already don't believe you. Asking us to believe more stories now is just insulting our intelligence. Making people feel insulted is not an apology. Got it? Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #53,967 by admin 9/30/02 12:39:34 PM Reply	What's really interesting... Is that this person did the following only: Hit the main page. Created a new user. Hit the Water Cooler Forum. Hit the root post in this thread only. Added the response. That's it. The user 1) knew exactly where he was going and 2) was here explicitly to add that response. He didn't look at ANYTHING other than what was necessary to create the post. Oh... some interesting name lookup information on his IP address: adsl-65-64-153-148.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net In other words... it is someone who had been here as a user already and it is someone who lives in St. Louis... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #53,982 by SpiceWare 9/30/02 1:51:48 PM Reply	That address responds to ping but no response to ftp or http. Anybody know if SWBELL in St. Louis provides static IPs for ADSL accounts? Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #53,985 by deSitter 9/30/02 2:17:35 PM Reply	Re: That address responds to ping The point is made, let's please not rub it in. It's a serious issue to manipulate your friends like that. But there is no point in increasing the pain. Let me handle it, please. (Static or not, ICMP is on.) -drl
Post #53,986 by admin 9/30/02 2:20:47 PM Reply	Some personal accountability would be nice. Since I have the perp pretty much dead to rights with additional access log information that I haven't posted... It never hurts to apologize... especially considering the amount of time I've had to invest tracking this crap down. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #54,093 by boxley 9/30/02 9:10:48 PM Reply	Any chance of a 3rd person in STL with BSdsl who norm isnt having any luck installing a webserver for and who prolly knows very well this board and how it works because of norms frequent posting. I remember a co-worker who watched me on sleazyboard and shuffled my picture around. I was convinced one of you guys had hacked our server and was twisting in knots trying to find the hole while he was laughing his ass off. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #54,116 by admin 9/30/02 9:30:45 PM Reply	... I'm not going to get into it any further, owing to the request Ross made. There is more to this than just an IP address, however. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #54,126 by SpiceWare 9/30/02 10:15:22 PM Reply	? The point is made, let's please not rub it in. Umm, ok. I guess I missed something somewhere. :-/ Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #54,799 by orion 10/3/02 9:58:40 PM Reply	Interesting enough I used to work for a helpdesk for that Baby Bell and left it in Feb of 2002. I wonder if I made anyone there mad enough at me to do that? I'll write it off as a joke, if they do not do it again. I had a friend kill himself in 1999, that, as far as I know, is no joke. He faced a lot more demons than I did, but like me, one factor was the same, he was depressed and suicidal at times, and was going through a computer job at a small company that stressed him out. There are other reasons I won't go into here. But anyway if that poster stops, I assume they found out from Google.com or something else, I can forgive them. I assume they know how to email me, so drop me an email and explain your beef with me instead of posting it on a public forum. Sorry for being out of it, work had stressed me out a bit, I had to rest, also I was trying to get XP installed at my system at home and it frelled up the system, it would not let me uninstall, said the files were modified, so I reinstalled 98SE, only it doesn't all work right. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*

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