There were good deeds done in the 1960's.

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Post #49,976

by mmoffitt

8/20/02 9:39:24 PM

8/20/02 9:40:40 PM

There were good deeds done in the 1960's.

More than in the 1980's and 1990's combined.

My issue is with the motivation for those good deeds. In the presence of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, to name just two, how can you say that the 60's does not deserve to "...be regarded as 'progress'"?

Perhaps you are a "Constitutional minimalist"? Is a black man worth < 1 white man?

<Foster's Lager spelling corrections in Edit>

Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 20, 2002, 09:40:40 PM EDT

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Post #49,983

by ben_tilly

8/20/02 9:52:38 PM

Note the qualification on my last sentence

To specify that the peace movement wasn't progress.

Most people that I knew who glorified the 60's were far more involved in the peace movement than civil rights. They are the ones that I have the strongest impressions of, and hence the ones that I ranted about. But my impressiond second and third hand of the civil rights movement are much better.

Hence my (rather significant) qualification up front, exactly to exclude the civil rights movement.

Cheers,
Ben

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What always troubled me 'bout the 60's - Ash you listening? - (mmoffitt) - (43) - Aug. 20, 2002, 08:47:31 PM EDT

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