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New Box likes poking our buttons.
He's well aware of the problems of racism and all it entails.

I think, here, he's mainly arguing that locals should work it out. That's why he's bringing up outsiders coming in and causing trouble. He's not defending the statues, he's saying outsiders (pro or anti) have no business coming in and rioting and getting people killed.

I think that's a far too narrow view of what's happening there, and elsewhere, myself. UVa is a nationally (and internationally) known university. It has an important history (founded by our 3rd President). The town of Charlottesville is a melting pot with students and families from all over the world, and an island of sanity in that part of Virginia.

Americans have the right to express their views about what's going on in this country, to petition their governments, to freely associate, and all the rest. "Outside agitators" are often an important first step in productive change and progress. The anti-Nazi protesters were a reflection of some of the best of America. And seeing neo-Nazis out in public, letting their hate out, is occasionally necessary so that we can see what they're really like and see the importance of fighting them.

But more than having a right, we have an obligation to confront them.

A caller made the point on "1A" on NPR yesterday that Henry Ford wrote screeds for years about all kinds of horrible things that The International Jew caused and collected them into books.

Influence on Nazi Anti-Semitism[edit]

Ford's International Jew was translated into German in 1922 and was cited as an influence by Baldur von Schirach, one of the Nazis' leaders, who stated "I read it and became anti-Semitic. In those days this book made such a deep impression on my friends and myself because we saw in Henry Ford the representative of success, also the exponent of a progressive social policy. In the poverty-stricken and wretched Germany of the time, youth looked toward America, and apart from the great benefactor, Herbert Hoover, it was Henry Ford who to us represented America."[6] Ford is the only American mentioned in Hitler's Mein Kampf, but is only mentioned once in one sentence, where Hitler writes "Every year makes them [American Jews] more and more the controlling masters of the producers in a nation of one hundred and twenty millions; only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence."


Horrifying.

We, as Americans, have a duty to fight this stuff - wherever it is in our country.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And I don't like that.
What law of nature is it that says he gets to indulge his likes at my -- our -- expense and I just get to take it?

He "likes to poke our buttons" by being an asshole, so I reserve the right to point out that that is what he is.

Anybody doesn't like _that,_ then either they get to take it just like I apparently do, or take it up with the BOx.

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As for all the rest of your post: No, I actually don't think he's aware of pretty much fucking anything.

If he were, then he wouldn't _so consistently_ be an arsehole about pretty much fucking everything.
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New a bit annoying to be sure...
on the other paw, with like and a trifling amount of change, you can send a post card. Like should probably not be part of the calculus.
He is not arguing a point for any other reason than to get a rise out of someone. Indulge or not; your choice. If you go for it, there's always a bunny for him to split.
"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable."
~ AMBROSE BIERCE
(1842-1914)
     The short-fingered vulgarian loses his shit - (rcareaga) - (50)
         watched some of his remarks while catching up on email - (boxley) - (32)
             There’s considerable historical evidence by now - (rcareaga) - (20)
                 Re: There’s considerable historical evidence by now - (boxley) - (19)
                     Yes, there is racism everywhere. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                         sorry no whataboutery at all - (boxley) - (12)
                             Have you seen (reputable) reports of how many participants were from outside VA? - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                 well I am glad you are finally coming around, the north does have racist assholes - (boxley) - (10)
                                     Eh? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                         (Thanks, again for your 'actually-Organized!' Linkie-sets :-) - (Ashton)
                                         no, this time you didnt try to claim the racist from ohio was really decended from kentukians -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Why would anyone claim that? - (drook)
                                     What's the bigger problem? - (drook) - (5)
                                         Re: What's the bigger problem? - (boxley) - (4)
                                             Well OK ... I thought it was obvious "don't maim people" should be the point -NT - (drook) - (3)
                                                 well if you have to maim someone do it at home where it will be more finely appreciated - (boxley) - (2)
                                                     No. DON'T MAIM PEOPLE. Full stop. -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                                         you live in Ohio, it has not stopped anyone there for a thousand years -NT - (boxley)
                         No, whataboutery isnt beneath him; it's his standard MO. Doesn't going-around-in-circles prove that? -NT - (CRConrad)
                     “Old times there are not forgotten” - (rcareaga) - (3)
                         sure, what state has the most hate groups? Oh it the wunnerful state of california - (boxley) - (2)
                             Re: sure, what state has the most hate groups? Oh it the wunnerful state of california - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 [!!] ;^> - (Ashton)
             Please post pics of the "Alt-Left's" Praetorian Guards with assault rifles in Charlottesville, eh? - (CRConrad) - (10)
                 dunno did the black panthers show up? - (boxley) - (5)
                     Post pics of them in Charlottesville armed with assault rifles or STFU, you lying liar. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                         I am glad you support people coming to the south to kill other people in 2017, shows your mind set -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                             No pics, I note. The guys with ARs in the pics I saw were all on the Nazi side. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                 quit beating that straw man with your red herring - (boxley) - (1)
                                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Toles helps boxley explain it for us - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     One DOES so-despise so. Much. of. his 'very, very Limited vocabulary' but, personally I find - (Ashton)
                 "Alt-Left" is not a thing - (drook) - (1)
                     Re: "Alt-Left" is not a thing correct it is antifa -NT - (boxley)
         I don't know what his problem is with removing confederate statues - (pwhysall) - (16)
             Zing! I'll be stealing that. -NT - (drook)
             You are so.. Baaad.. -NT - (Ashton)
             nice, I am so stealing that -NT - (boxley) - (13)
                 Whatchagonna use it for - you're the one *defending* the people defending the loser-traitor-statues? -NT - (CRConrad) - (12)
                     Box likes poking our buttons. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                         And I don't like that. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             a bit annoying to be sure... - (hnick)
                     depends which statue if the state put it up to snort in the direction of the oppressed, tear it down - (boxley)
                     also I am in no way *defending* the people defending the loser-traitor-stat - (boxley) - (7)
                         You seem to really care that he drive from Ohio - (drook) - (6)
                             A girl is dead because some fucking nazifucker from kentucky - (boxley) - (5)
                                 Your first comment in this thread - (drook) - (4)
                                     I am still saying that He drove the muder weapon from ohio other yankees were there fighting as well - (boxley)
                                     OK then.. parsing just that Lone Sentence: - (Ashton) - (2)
                                         ya gotta remember that "bull" conner and all of the other dreck that inhabited the place - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Non-sequiturs... -NT - (Another Scott)

Didja ever take and try to give an iron-clad leave to yourself from a three-rail billiard shot?
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