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New For Pete's sake...how hard is it?
at the end of the day, the consumer pays for everything. It really is that simple.

If you want to complicate it and say "company x cuts costs so they don't have to pass it on"...company x has just fired 100 people..those 100 people are consumers. They might not be customers of company x...but they are consumers.

After peeling back several layers of complication, the beginning and end is the consumer.

Sure, in your example, the US taxpayer may not bear the entire burden of a "global tax"...but at its root, with no consumers...there is no Amazon, no GE, no Exxon, no ATT, no nothing.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Let's play Reductio ad absurdum
Business taxes are bad because they take money from consumers.

Therefore, we should eliminate all business taxes.

No corporate income taxes, no FICA contributions, no local taxes... Behold! Business prices drop and consumers get the benefit! Amazon sees sales rise!

But wait.

Revenue to national governments drop unless tax rates rise for individuals. But that's not politically popular, even though it would be "revenue neutral" according to the economists. Because the locality can't afford a police force anymore, Amazon has to hire its own security force. Roads fall into disrepair because states don't have the funds for road improvements. Amazon can't deliver packages in a timely way, so their sales fall.

Since the court system has collapsed due to lack of revenue, Amazon employees no longer have to worry about prosecution by the state, so they take what they want. The Amazon Police can't stop them, because they are understaffed and some of them are also in cahoots with the looters.

Net result - Bad.

Without any discussion of what Bill's $2/book tax would be used for, it's a senseless exercise. Government doesn't usually collect taxes to have the money sit in a vault.

How long did your phone bill stay below what it was in 2006 when 26 U.S.C. § 4251 was repealed? http://en.wikipedia....ephone_excise_tax

If corporate taxes are always paid by consumers, then corporate tax rate reductions are always passed on to consumers, right?

I don't think so. Things are more complicated than that.

As I mentioned earlier, and as Krugman pointed out, it's much more efficient for the public to pay for a public good than for the private sector. Public goods are paid for with taxes.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And taxes are paid by consumers.
duh.

Efficiency doesn't enter into that equation.

You seem to be arguing about which way the taxes are taken from you is more appealing.

In the end...it still comes from you. Until you get that, you're lost.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New See my other post
WE DO GET THAT!

Yes, we do understand that taxes come from us.

Yes, we are arguing about which way of taking those taxes is more appealing.

And "more appealing" means that it comes from a more equitable distribution of "us".
--

Drew
New Thank you. You're much clearer than me.
     Steve Benen on the Republican budget proposal. - (Another Scott) - (87)
         Take away deductions and loopholes - (beepster) - (86)
             That's as likely as their proposed cuts and spending freeze. - (Another Scott) - (85)
                 Um... - (beepster) - (84)
                     You're doing it again... - (Another Scott) - (83)
                         Really, I should read the memo then.. - (beepster) - (80)
                             I keep hearing people say that - (drook)
                             In addition to Drew's comments, here are some more... - (Another Scott) - (78)
                                 Excuse me, but where.. - (beepster) - (77)
                                     You're just using many of their talking points. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         I take it you dont smoke - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Nope. - (Another Scott)
                                     Are we talking absolute, or percentage? Inflation adjusted? - (drook) - (73)
                                         what percentage of your working life - (boxley) - (1)
                                             On quitting smoking. - (Another Scott)
                                         Absolute. - (beepster) - (70)
                                             if we raise taxes on booksellers on the web - (boxley) - (65)
                                                 Wouldn't affect it much - (drook) - (54)
                                                     thank you for proving my point - (boxley) - (53)
                                                         It's a pointless one - (drook) - (52)
                                                             ???? - (beepster) - (50)
                                                                 Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                     The cig tax - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                         I've already addressed that. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                             Wait for the next one. - (beepster)
                                                                 Put up or shut up - (drook) - (45)
                                                                     You are on crack, arent' you. - (beepster) - (43)
                                                                         You're putting up a proposition about taxes. - (Another Scott) - (36)
                                                                             cap and trade will get everyone -NT - (boxley) - (35)
                                                                                 It's supposed to be impact neutral to family budgets. - (Another Scott) - (33)
                                                                                     Yep...and the government has never lied to you, have they? - (beepster) - (31)
                                                                                         So you oppose this. What do you support? -NT - (drook) - (30)
                                                                                             Once again - (beepster) - (29)
                                                                                                 read obamas lips, he is lying like every other pol -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                     don't tell scott that - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                                                         naw, he is desparate to believe in the dream - (boxley)
                                                                                                 Specifics would be nice. - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                 Couple reminders - (drook) - (24)
                                                                                                     Reminders of what, exactly? - (beepster) - (23)
                                                                                                         A "bill of attainder" is unconstitutional. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                                                                             tell that to the congress re: aig bonus taxes :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                                 Notice that talk of that died down in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                                     Key difference - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                                                         Back up. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                             read back - (beepster)
                                                                                                         Wasn't my intention to focus on corporate taxes - (drook) - (16)
                                                                                                             what is this recently BS? - (boxley) - (15)
                                                                                                                 The inheritance tax doesn't do that - (drook) - (14)
                                                                                                                     so the state only seizes 45% difference in degree only - (boxley) - (13)
                                                                                                                         So 0.5% would *also* difference in degree only? - (drook) - (12)
                                                                                                                             so one only rents money from the state? - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                                                                                 I'll take a page from Beep's playbook for this one - (drook) - (10)
                                                                                                                                     :-) you said complaining about said tax was recent - (boxley) - (9)
                                                                                                                                         bing bing bing -NT - (beepster)
                                                                                                                                         No, I said calling it a "death tax" was recent - (drook) - (7)
                                                                                                                                             Exactly. -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                                                                             sure it is - (boxley) - (5)
                                                                                                                                                 Don't be intentionally dense. It's unbecoming. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                     I have heard the term death tax since I was a kid - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                         Ok. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                                                         Waddaya 'spect in a place where Cholmondeley is pronounced - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                             we had "glagow" eddie burns, frank the hunky - (boxley)
                                                                                     so is the fair tax -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                 darn it box...I was saving that one. -NT - (beepster)
                                                                         Poison pills don't count - (drook) - (5)
                                                                             Inventing my position doesn't either - (beepster) - (4)
                                                                                 Try speaking clearly then - (drook) - (3)
                                                                                     You're still asking me - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                         No, I'm asking you to TAKE a position - (drook) - (1)
                                                                                             Stated above - (beepster)
                                                                     severl ways to even a playing field - (boxley)
                                                             dont think nother gets that -NT - (boxley)
                                                 I'd also be interested in Beep's take. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                                                     For Pete's sake...how hard is it? - (beepster) - (4)
                                                         Let's play Reductio ad absurdum - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                             And taxes are paid by consumers. - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                 See my other post - (drook) - (1)
                                                                     Thank you. You're much clearer than me. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                     Just found this today - (drook) - (3)
                                                         Problem with this - (beepster)
                                                         That reminds me.... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             Drucker is only applicable to commodities - (drook)
                                             It would suggest that that 40% ... making *20%* of the gross - (Ashton)
                                             "Absolute" - well that's a risky bet. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                 only in america - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     There was a certain logic to it, at one time. - (Another Scott)
                         since the expeditures under discussion is about to pass gdp - (boxley) - (1)
                             Most of that $xxT is guarantees. - (Another Scott)

A cheery thought that I shall leave you with...
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