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New what percentage of your working life
involved with making money from corporations?
as for your request for a concrete example
The latest research shows that people with low income (less than $25,000/year) and less education (high school diploma or less) smoke at higher rates than the general population and are less likely to quit successfully. smoking among these groups has not dropped significantly in recent years.
so who is going to pick up the corporate tax just imposed by obama on cigarettes? Poor folks not the rich folks
now dont try to weasel, the tax is assessed at the corporate level and collected before a ciggie makes it out the door.
so how many other corporate taxes are passed on to the same folk? Well whatever they buy there will be a nice corporate tax bill in that price somewhere.
New On quitting smoking.
Most systems don't work. Here's one that is better than most.

http://www.nydailyne...success_ra-1.html

Dangling enough dollars in front of smokers who want to quit helps many more succeed, an experiment with hundreds of General Electric Co. workers indicates. Among those paid up to $750 to quit and stay off cigarettes, 15 percent were still tobacco-free about a year later. That may not sound like much, but it's three times the success rate of a comparison group that got no such bonuses.

GE was so impressed it plans to offer an incentive program nationwide next year, aiming to save some of the company's estimated $50 million annually in extra health and other costs for smoking employees.


Imagine that - getting people to quit saves money. Whodathunkit. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
     Steve Benen on the Republican budget proposal. - (Another Scott) - (87)
         Take away deductions and loopholes - (beepster) - (86)
             That's as likely as their proposed cuts and spending freeze. - (Another Scott) - (85)
                 Um... - (beepster) - (84)
                     You're doing it again... - (Another Scott) - (83)
                         Really, I should read the memo then.. - (beepster) - (80)
                             I keep hearing people say that - (drook)
                             In addition to Drew's comments, here are some more... - (Another Scott) - (78)
                                 Excuse me, but where.. - (beepster) - (77)
                                     You're just using many of their talking points. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         I take it you dont smoke - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Nope. - (Another Scott)
                                     Are we talking absolute, or percentage? Inflation adjusted? - (drook) - (73)
                                         what percentage of your working life - (boxley) - (1)
                                             On quitting smoking. - (Another Scott)
                                         Absolute. - (beepster) - (70)
                                             if we raise taxes on booksellers on the web - (boxley) - (65)
                                                 Wouldn't affect it much - (drook) - (54)
                                                     thank you for proving my point - (boxley) - (53)
                                                         It's a pointless one - (drook) - (52)
                                                             ???? - (beepster) - (50)
                                                                 Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                     The cig tax - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                         I've already addressed that. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                             Wait for the next one. - (beepster)
                                                                 Put up or shut up - (drook) - (45)
                                                                     You are on crack, arent' you. - (beepster) - (43)
                                                                         You're putting up a proposition about taxes. - (Another Scott) - (36)
                                                                             cap and trade will get everyone -NT - (boxley) - (35)
                                                                                 It's supposed to be impact neutral to family budgets. - (Another Scott) - (33)
                                                                                     Yep...and the government has never lied to you, have they? - (beepster) - (31)
                                                                                         So you oppose this. What do you support? -NT - (drook) - (30)
                                                                                             Once again - (beepster) - (29)
                                                                                                 read obamas lips, he is lying like every other pol -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                     don't tell scott that - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                                                         naw, he is desparate to believe in the dream - (boxley)
                                                                                                 Specifics would be nice. - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                 Couple reminders - (drook) - (24)
                                                                                                     Reminders of what, exactly? - (beepster) - (23)
                                                                                                         A "bill of attainder" is unconstitutional. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                                                                             tell that to the congress re: aig bonus taxes :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                                 Notice that talk of that died down in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                                     Key difference - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                                                         Back up. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                             read back - (beepster)
                                                                                                         Wasn't my intention to focus on corporate taxes - (drook) - (16)
                                                                                                             what is this recently BS? - (boxley) - (15)
                                                                                                                 The inheritance tax doesn't do that - (drook) - (14)
                                                                                                                     so the state only seizes 45% difference in degree only - (boxley) - (13)
                                                                                                                         So 0.5% would *also* difference in degree only? - (drook) - (12)
                                                                                                                             so one only rents money from the state? - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                                                                                 I'll take a page from Beep's playbook for this one - (drook) - (10)
                                                                                                                                     :-) you said complaining about said tax was recent - (boxley) - (9)
                                                                                                                                         bing bing bing -NT - (beepster)
                                                                                                                                         No, I said calling it a "death tax" was recent - (drook) - (7)
                                                                                                                                             Exactly. -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                                                                             sure it is - (boxley) - (5)
                                                                                                                                                 Don't be intentionally dense. It's unbecoming. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                     I have heard the term death tax since I was a kid - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                         Ok. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                                                         Waddaya 'spect in a place where Cholmondeley is pronounced - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                             we had "glagow" eddie burns, frank the hunky - (boxley)
                                                                                     so is the fair tax -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                 darn it box...I was saving that one. -NT - (beepster)
                                                                         Poison pills don't count - (drook) - (5)
                                                                             Inventing my position doesn't either - (beepster) - (4)
                                                                                 Try speaking clearly then - (drook) - (3)
                                                                                     You're still asking me - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                         No, I'm asking you to TAKE a position - (drook) - (1)
                                                                                             Stated above - (beepster)
                                                                     severl ways to even a playing field - (boxley)
                                                             dont think nother gets that -NT - (boxley)
                                                 I'd also be interested in Beep's take. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                                                     For Pete's sake...how hard is it? - (beepster) - (4)
                                                         Let's play Reductio ad absurdum - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                             And taxes are paid by consumers. - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                 See my other post - (drook) - (1)
                                                                     Thank you. You're much clearer than me. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                     Just found this today - (drook) - (3)
                                                         Problem with this - (beepster)
                                                         That reminds me.... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             Drucker is only applicable to commodities - (drook)
                                             It would suggest that that 40% ... making *20%* of the gross - (Ashton)
                                             "Absolute" - well that's a risky bet. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                 only in america - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     There was a certain logic to it, at one time. - (Another Scott)
                         since the expeditures under discussion is about to pass gdp - (boxley) - (1)
                             Most of that $xxT is guarantees. - (Another Scott)

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