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Post #306,646

by boxley

4/2/09 9:21:34 PM

only in america

once you start making more dough you dont have to pay a 12.4% tax that minimum wage earners have to pay until death or retirement, thats equitable that is

Post #306,649

by Another Scott

4/2/09 9:59:58 PM

There was a certain logic to it, at one time.

It was intended to be insurance, and there were many more people contributing than collecting benefits. Now, it's a much bigger program and fewer are contributing per beneficiary, so the income limits should be raised (or completely removed) while adjusting the rates as appropriate.

I dunno how other countries handle taxation for social insurance.

Cheers,
Scott.

Steve Benen on the Republican budget proposal. - (Another Scott) - (87) - April 1, 2009, 09:13:42 PM EDT

Take away deductions and loopholes - (beepster) - (86) - April 1, 2009, 10:53:05 PM EDT

That's as likely as their proposed cuts and spending freeze. - (Another Scott) - (85) - April 1, 2009, 11:23:32 PM EDT

Um... - (beepster) - (84) - April 2, 2009, 12:12:54 AM EDT

You're doing it again... - (Another Scott) - (83) - April 2, 2009, 12:33:34 AM EDT

Really, I should read the memo then.. - (beepster) - (80) - April 2, 2009, 12:57:38 AM EDT

I keep hearing people say that - (drook) - April 2, 2009, 01:34:02 AM EDT

In addition to Drew's comments, here are some more... - (Another Scott) - (78) - April 2, 2009, 07:52:03 AM EDT

Excuse me, but where.. - (beepster) - (77) - April 2, 2009, 03:42:25 PM EDT

You're just using many of their talking points. - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 2, 2009, 04:10:21 PM EDT

I take it you dont smoke - (boxley) - (1) - April 2, 2009, 04:53:21 PM EDT

Nope. - (Another Scott) - April 2, 2009, 05:05:13 PM EDT

Are we talking absolute, or percentage? Inflation adjusted? - (drook) - (73) - April 2, 2009, 05:15:00 PM EDT

what percentage of your working life - (boxley) - (1) - April 2, 2009, 05:26:18 PM EDT

On quitting smoking. - (Another Scott) - April 2, 2009, 05:49:09 PM EDT

Absolute. - (beepster) - (70) - April 2, 2009, 06:30:43 PM EDT

if we raise taxes on booksellers on the web - (boxley) - (65) - April 2, 2009, 07:15:41 PM EDT

Wouldn't affect it much - (drook) - (54) - April 2, 2009, 09:55:36 PM EDT

thank you for proving my point - (boxley) - (53) - April 3, 2009, 08:59:01 AM EDT

It's a pointless one - (drook) - (52) - April 3, 2009, 09:42:10 AM EDT

???? - (beepster) - (50) - April 3, 2009, 09:55:51 AM EDT

Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 3, 2009, 10:12:24 AM EDT

The cig tax - (beepster) - (2) - April 3, 2009, 10:15:04 AM EDT

I've already addressed that. - (Another Scott) - (1) - April 3, 2009, 10:17:38 AM EDT

Wait for the next one. - (beepster) - April 3, 2009, 10:24:37 AM EDT

Put up or shut up - (drook) - (45) - April 3, 2009, 10:14:26 AM EDT

You are on crack, arent' you. - (beepster) - (43) - April 3, 2009, 10:23:17 AM EDT

You're putting up a proposition about taxes. - (Another Scott) - (36) - April 3, 2009, 10:28:06 AM EDT

cap and trade will get everyone -NT - (boxley) - (35) - April 3, 2009, 10:35:30 AM EDT

It's supposed to be impact neutral to family budgets. - (Another Scott) - (33) - April 3, 2009, 10:43:36 AM EDT

Yep...and the government has never lied to you, have they? - (beepster) - (31) - April 3, 2009, 10:46:37 AM EDT

So you oppose this. What do you support? -NT - (drook) - (30) - April 3, 2009, 10:48:35 AM EDT

Once again - (beepster) - (29) - April 3, 2009, 11:19:40 AM EDT

read obamas lips, he is lying like every other pol -NT - (boxley) - (2) - April 3, 2009, 11:38:16 AM EDT

don't tell scott that - (beepster) - (1) - April 3, 2009, 11:49:21 AM EDT

naw, he is desparate to believe in the dream - (boxley) - April 3, 2009, 12:08:50 PM EDT

Specifics would be nice. - (Another Scott) - April 3, 2009, 12:42:33 PM EDT

Couple reminders - (drook) - (24) - April 3, 2009, 01:24:18 PM EDT

Reminders of what, exactly? - (beepster) - (23) - April 3, 2009, 02:49:22 PM EDT

A "bill of attainder" is unconstitutional. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (5) - April 3, 2009, 03:07:25 PM EDT

tell that to the congress re: aig bonus taxes :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4) - April 3, 2009, 03:14:09 PM EDT

Notice that talk of that died down in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 3, 2009, 03:21:49 PM EDT

Key difference - (beepster) - (2) - April 3, 2009, 03:38:03 PM EDT

Back up. - (Another Scott) - (1) - April 3, 2009, 03:43:14 PM EDT

read back - (beepster) - April 3, 2009, 03:56:29 PM EDT

Wasn't my intention to focus on corporate taxes - (drook) - (16) - April 3, 2009, 03:13:18 PM EDT

what is this recently BS? - (boxley) - (15) - April 3, 2009, 03:17:05 PM EDT

The inheritance tax doesn't do that - (drook) - (14) - April 3, 2009, 03:32:32 PM EDT

so the state only seizes 45% difference in degree only - (boxley) - (13) - April 3, 2009, 03:38:56 PM EDT

So 0.5% would *also* difference in degree only? - (drook) - (12) - April 3, 2009, 04:24:01 PM EDT

so one only rents money from the state? - (boxley) - (11) - April 3, 2009, 05:35:42 PM EDT

I'll take a page from Beep's playbook for this one - (drook) - (10) - April 3, 2009, 05:47:18 PM EDT

:-) you said complaining about said tax was recent - (boxley) - (9) - April 3, 2009, 06:05:12 PM EDT

bing bing bing -NT - (beepster) - April 3, 2009, 07:09:08 PM EDT

No, I said calling it a "death tax" was recent - (drook) - (7) - April 3, 2009, 07:26:02 PM EDT

Exactly. -NT - (Ashton) - April 4, 2009, 04:52:15 AM EDT

sure it is - (boxley) - (5) - April 4, 2009, 08:25:07 AM EDT

Don't be intentionally dense. It's unbecoming. - (Another Scott) - (4) - April 4, 2009, 09:20:18 AM EDT

I have heard the term death tax since I was a kid - (boxley) - (3) - April 4, 2009, 02:24:55 PM EDT

Ok. -NT - (Another Scott) - April 4, 2009, 02:42:59 PM EDT

Waddaya 'spect in a place where Cholmondeley is pronounced - (Ashton) - (1) - April 4, 2009, 05:35:38 PM EDT

we had "glagow" eddie burns, frank the hunky - (boxley) - April 4, 2009, 06:02:45 PM EDT

so is the fair tax -NT - (boxley) - April 3, 2009, 11:06:26 AM EDT

darn it box...I was saving that one. -NT - (beepster) - April 3, 2009, 10:44:15 AM EDT

Poison pills don't count - (drook) - (5) - April 3, 2009, 10:36:59 AM EDT

Inventing my position doesn't either - (beepster) - (4) - April 3, 2009, 10:42:42 AM EDT

Try speaking clearly then - (drook) - (3) - April 3, 2009, 10:47:50 AM EDT

You're still asking me - (beepster) - (2) - April 3, 2009, 10:54:09 AM EDT

No, I'm asking you to TAKE a position - (drook) - (1) - April 3, 2009, 12:53:11 PM EDT

Stated above - (beepster) - April 3, 2009, 02:50:47 PM EDT

severl ways to even a playing field - (boxley) - April 3, 2009, 10:24:56 AM EDT

dont think nother gets that -NT - (boxley) - April 3, 2009, 09:57:43 AM EDT

I'd also be interested in Beep's take. - (Another Scott) - (9) - April 2, 2009, 10:38:53 PM EDT

For Pete's sake...how hard is it? - (beepster) - (4) - April 3, 2009, 08:50:56 AM EDT

Let's play Reductio ad absurdum - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 3, 2009, 10:09:30 AM EDT

And taxes are paid by consumers. - (beepster) - (2) - April 3, 2009, 10:13:00 AM EDT

See my other post - (drook) - (1) - April 3, 2009, 10:18:50 AM EDT

Thank you. You're much clearer than me. -NT - (Another Scott) - April 3, 2009, 10:20:19 AM EDT

Just found this today - (drook) - (3) - April 9, 2009, 12:05:39 AM EDT

Problem with this - (beepster) - April 9, 2009, 12:32:59 AM EDT

That reminds me.... - (Another Scott) - (1) - April 9, 2009, 12:41:20 AM EDT

Drucker is only applicable to commodities - (drook) - April 9, 2009, 01:53:10 AM EDT

It would suggest that that 40% ... making *20%* of the gross - (Ashton) - April 2, 2009, 08:14:10 PM EDT

"Absolute" - well that's a risky bet. - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 2, 2009, 09:03:39 PM EDT

only in america - (boxley) - (1) - April 2, 2009, 09:21:34 PM EDT

There was a certain logic to it, at one time. - (Another Scott) - April 2, 2009, 09:59:58 PM EDT

since the expeditures under discussion is about to pass gdp - (boxley) - (1) - April 2, 2009, 09:04:41 AM EDT

Most of that $xxT is guarantees. - (Another Scott) - April 2, 2009, 10:12:23 AM EDT

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