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Post #28,174 by mmoffitt 2/12/02 9:14:43 PM Reply	Here's some real heart for you ;-) Take a gander and see if your stated position that "rich corporations are run by really neat people" changes any. [link\|http://www.corporatepredators.org/top100.html\|http://www.corporat.../top100.html]
Post #28,187 by bepatient 2/12/02 11:07:06 PM Reply	Correction Real corporations are run by real people. Some good. Some bad. In your list provided...some were bad and probably committed knowingly...some were bad and probably committed unknowingly...some were accidental and its kind of hard to put malice into that. Or are you saying that all companies are evil? Where did you ever come up with that "stated position" anyway? Creative license. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #28,251 by mmoffitt 2/13/02 1:22:08 PM Reply	"stated position" inferred from your posts.
Post #28,264 by bepatient 2/13/02 2:28:36 PM Reply	Ahhh, IC "really neat people"??? Can only tell you what I know from experience. I've met a bunch of guys with initials in their title...only a couple would fit the "neat" category. None of them carried a pitchfork and dressed in red ;-) My company has settled criminal actions in the past couple of years. Environmental claims. Claims on activity that actually occurred in the 1940's. But, environmental law doesn't grandfather. Since the CEO was about 4 years old at the time...I'm sure he was wondering how to screw John Q Consumer in between naps. However, companies are staffed and run by real people. There are some ugly real people out there...not all of them are corporate...nor are all of them the mugger in the alley. Life in the big city. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Can he do it? - (mmoffitt) - (118) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:40:10 PM EST

trickle down economics, smells like P - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:47:06 PM EST

"Austerity" my foot! - (wharris2) - Feb. 5, 2002, 04:26:36 PM EST

Fuzzy Math... - (jb4) - Feb. 5, 2002, 03:53:39 PM EST

Keeping your eye on the prize... - (screamer) - Feb. 5, 2002, 05:04:58 PM EST

I think he can - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 5, 2002, 06:18:56 PM EST

"Supply side" economics never works - (nking) - (112) - Feb. 6, 2002, 09:44:57 AM EST

Slight disagreement... - (jb4) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:59:22 AM EST

Actually, upside down is how it all started. - (mmoffitt) - (104) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:23:06 PM EST

You do remember that government revenues increased, right? -NT - (wharris2) - (103) - Feb. 6, 2002, 01:51:10 PM EST

Don't bother them with such trivial details. - (bepatient) - (101) - Feb. 6, 2002, 07:00:35 PM EST

Jed Clampet syndrome - (nking) - Feb. 6, 2002, 09:19:40 PM EST

Doh! forgot about the trivial detail syndrome - (wharris2) - (98) - Feb. 7, 2002, 05:51:19 AM EST

Amen - (SpiceWare) - (97) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:05:54 PM EST

How about 7% if you make a billion, 28% if you make 50K? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:24:48 PM EST

hang those suckers -NT - (wharris2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 01:27:49 PM EST

and where did you get that from? - (SpiceWare) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:31:56 AM EST

Hold on a minute thar! - (nking) - (93) - Feb. 7, 2002, 10:13:06 PM EST

Elimination of loop holes is a major point of the Flat Tax -NT - (SpiceWare) - (92) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:37:08 AM EST

I know, we'll have the Tooth Fairy write the new law. - (mmoffitt) - (91) - Feb. 8, 2002, 01:30:11 PM EST

Geesh, what 's up your ass? - (SpiceWare) - Feb. 8, 2002, 02:26:44 PM EST

Oh...you mean the guys who yell.... - (bepatient) - (89) - Feb. 8, 2002, 03:46:29 PM EST

The flat tax will never work - (nking) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:01:20 PM EST

Whoa, there, it was Jerry Brown first! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:36:18 PM EST

On fairness. - (mmoffitt) - (86) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:43:00 PM EST

Different definitions of fair. -NT - (bepatient) - (85) - Feb. 11, 2002, 08:30:24 AM EST

Re: Different definitions of fair. (more) - (bepatient) - (84) - Feb. 11, 2002, 11:23:17 AM EST

Hasn't a sales tax been proven to be regressive? - (Brandioch) - (11) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:04:32 PM EST

Thats why you exempt food and clothing. - (bepatient) - (10) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:12:36 PM EST

And that makes it non-regressive? - (Brandioch) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:39:10 PM EST

I never made that claim. - (bepatient) - (8) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:21:35 PM EST

Just wondering why you're advocating it. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:23:46 PM EST

Entertaining yarn at IRS site. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:59:55 PM EST

If you insist... - (bepatient) - (5) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:16:21 PM EST

It isn't me that has the problem. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:08:56 PM EST

whatever. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 11, 2002, 09:30:38 PM EST

Target acquired. Proceeding with SLAM! - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:34:22 AM EST

Carry on... - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:35:15 PM EST

"Less regressive" != progressive. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:59:04 PM EST

No one wants to punish anyone for success. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:46:33 PM EST

Well... - (bepatient) - (26) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:05:58 PM EST

Let's get a couple things straight. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:51:32 PM EST

Bravo!! - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:56:21 PM EST

Thanks ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 11, 2002, 04:03:21 PM EST

Lets do. - (bepatient) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2002, 09:24:32 PM EST

Iaccoca a good example - (Silverlock) - (8) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:50:20 AM EST

Incorrect assertion... - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:29:14 PM EST

So we misunderstand each other - (Silverlock) - (5) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:58:15 PM EST

Hard to get at the real heart of the matter.. - (bepatient) - (4) - Feb. 12, 2002, 04:36:50 PM EST

Here's some real heart for you ;-) - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2002, 09:14:43 PM EST

Correction - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:07:06 PM EST

"stated position" inferred from your posts. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:22:08 PM EST

Ahhh, IC - (bepatient) - Feb. 13, 2002, 02:28:36 PM EST

Re: Lee Iacocca - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 12, 2002, 04:46:39 PM EST

Ahem...back to the original subject... - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:38:22 AM EST

On Force, study California in the 1940's. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2002, 09:10:02 PM EST

Cecil doesn't think so. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:52:01 PM EST

Thanks - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:11:03 PM EST

Google on The Straight Dope - (Another Scott) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:15:47 PM EST

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:25:15 PM EST

Evil Grin - before you start praising mass transit... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 08:46:38 AM EST

RightO! Thanks for reiterating the original point! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:27:10 PM EST

7 billion consumers? Me thinks you make a huge mistake - (wharris2) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2002, 04:30:00 PM EST

Missed a comma and 3 - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2002, 08:55:54 PM EST

Sounds much better -NT - (wharris2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 01:55:15 PM EST

I'm not replying to this one__ baby from candy. (you owe me) -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 11, 2002, 07:35:19 PM EST

That is capitalism for you - (nking) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:41:01 PM EST

Re: No one wants to punish anyone for success. - (nking) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:32:11 AM EST

The rich get away with too much - (nking) - (42) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:29:41 PM EST

Assertions without foundation. - (bepatient) - (41) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:34:55 AM EST

The way it really is - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 13, 2002, 09:34:11 AM EST

Take a chill pill, ya whiner -NT - (bbronson) - (6) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:14:12 AM EST

I already have - (nking) - (5) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:33:16 AM EST

They don't seem to be working. Please move it to Flames. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:57:01 AM EST

Thanks for expressing my thought so well, Scott. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 13, 2002, 11:00:19 AM EST

Wow. - (bepatient) - Feb. 13, 2002, 11:35:00 AM EST

Sorry this IS Politics, rant away! -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:33:14 PM EST

Thank you - (nking) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:22:14 PM EST

Re: the entire scrooges argument. - (mmoffitt) - (32) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:55:02 PM EST

Progress. - (bepatient) - (31) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:11:59 PM EST

You don't like "screwing"? How about... - (mmoffitt) - (25) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:36:12 PM EST

Bizness is morally neuter, ethically impoverished. - (Ashton) - (21) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:58:17 PM EST

I expected you here sooner ;-) - (bepatient) - (20) - Feb. 14, 2002, 12:51:38 AM EST

I will never understand this. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:52:31 AM EST

Knock, knock... - (screamer) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:17:49 AM EST

Simpler explanation. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:27:50 AM EST

Fair enough... Now I understand... - (screamer) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:47:26 AM EST

My solution? has always been: actual OPERATING checks & - (Ashton) - (15) - Feb. 14, 2002, 03:01:24 PM EST

Re: govt. - (a6l6e6x) - (14) - Feb. 14, 2002, 03:17:03 PM EST

Yes but.. in concentrating on that 'least' - (Ashton) - (13) - Feb. 14, 2002, 04:09:42 PM EST

Federal - (bepatient) - (12) - Feb. 15, 2002, 10:44:17 AM EST

Missed point, I think. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:35:49 AM EST

You can't believe that - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2002, 12:42:25 PM EST

Bravo! - (screamer) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:41:14 AM EST

That delicate balance.. - (Ashton) - (8) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:50:09 PM EST

I hope this isn't lost. I have a question. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:45:40 PM EST

anarchy and chaos is much preferable to a benevolent - (boxley) - Feb. 16, 2002, 07:22:52 PM EST

I can't imagine such a construct as, - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:42:17 PM EST

But then, Plato's philosopher king, comes to mind. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:03:04 PM EST

Benevolent dictatorship? - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 02:04:13 AM EST

The King is coming - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:08:56 PM EST

Indulge your fantasy. - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:46:30 PM EST

It is a question of when - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 06:00:25 PM EST

Overestimating marketing. - (bepatient) - Feb. 14, 2002, 12:38:20 AM EST

Mood rings should have been illegal? :-P -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2002, 08:29:21 AM EST

YES! Mine was always black :-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:58:08 AM EST

Wrongo! - (nking) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2002, 09:56:57 PM EST

Read one book. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2002, 10:46:07 AM EST

I'm already shocked - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:10:10 PM EST

Laugh. - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:29:53 PM EST

Like I said - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:49:41 PM EST

It doesn't pay me personally. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:05:13 AM EST

You do remember the Debt sextupled, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:07:53 AM EST

My favorite trivia question - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 9, 2002, 08:35:46 PM EST

Some references. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2002, 11:36:02 PM EST

Sorry, no good references - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:17:06 AM EST

Damn you, Ben. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:45:49 PM EST

I can but try :-) - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:32:49 AM EST

And what was the balance of trade? - (bepatient) - Feb. 11, 2002, 11:40:35 AM EST

(to borrow Ashton's excellent phrase)
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