On Force, study California in the 1940's.

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Post #28,172 by mmoffitt 2/12/02 9:10:02 PM Reply	On Force, study California in the 1940's. After the war, Standard Oil of California essentially bought all of the City Councils in California. The mission: Get the city council to pave over all the trolleys so the people would >have< to purchase automobiles, which of course, required Standard of California's gasoline. It worked fabulously well. And don't let's get started on all the oil money and influence in Washington, which habitually either ignores or underfunds cleaner, publicly funded mass transit. You think that's a coincidence?
Post #28,184 by Another Scott 2/12/02 10:52:01 PM Reply	Cecil doesn't think so. And Cecil Adams knows everything, you know. Even more than CRC. :-) [link\|http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_335.html\|Did General Motors destroy the LA mass transit system?] HTH! :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #28,189 by bepatient 2/12/02 11:11:03 PM Reply	Thanks It would've taken me forever to find that. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #28,191 by Another Scott 2/12/02 11:15:47 PM Reply	Google on The Straight Dope Cecil's very good at squashing urban legends. [link\|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=straight+dope+GM+california\|Here's] the search I used. First link. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #28,252 by mmoffitt 2/13/02 1:25:15 PM Reply	Heh. >> Now, you may or may not believe GM's professions of innocence concerning the >> holding company. Heh. Thank you. I don't.
Post #28,210 by Simon_Jester 2/13/02 8:46:38 AM Reply	Evil Grin - before you start praising mass transit... may I point out that all mass transit (and railroads and airports and ... ) have also relied upon the public, usually in the form of initial (and cheap) land grants and right-of-ways. (And don't get me started on the deals of Standard Oil...) The point: again, these guys don't do it by themselves. (I'm amazed that people are even trying to argue the point.) I believe that was your initial argument.
Post #28,253 by mmoffitt 2/13/02 1:27:10 PM Reply	RightO! Thanks for reiterating the original point!

Can he do it? - (mmoffitt) - (118) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:40:10 PM EST

trickle down economics, smells like P - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:47:06 PM EST

"Austerity" my foot! - (wharris2) - Feb. 5, 2002, 04:26:36 PM EST

Fuzzy Math... - (jb4) - Feb. 5, 2002, 03:53:39 PM EST

Keeping your eye on the prize... - (screamer) - Feb. 5, 2002, 05:04:58 PM EST

I think he can - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 5, 2002, 06:18:56 PM EST

"Supply side" economics never works - (nking) - (112) - Feb. 6, 2002, 09:44:57 AM EST

Slight disagreement... - (jb4) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:59:22 AM EST

Actually, upside down is how it all started. - (mmoffitt) - (104) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:23:06 PM EST

You do remember that government revenues increased, right? -NT - (wharris2) - (103) - Feb. 6, 2002, 01:51:10 PM EST

Don't bother them with such trivial details. - (bepatient) - (101) - Feb. 6, 2002, 07:00:35 PM EST

Jed Clampet syndrome - (nking) - Feb. 6, 2002, 09:19:40 PM EST

Doh! forgot about the trivial detail syndrome - (wharris2) - (98) - Feb. 7, 2002, 05:51:19 AM EST

Amen - (SpiceWare) - (97) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:05:54 PM EST

How about 7% if you make a billion, 28% if you make 50K? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:24:48 PM EST

hang those suckers -NT - (wharris2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 01:27:49 PM EST

and where did you get that from? - (SpiceWare) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:31:56 AM EST

Hold on a minute thar! - (nking) - (93) - Feb. 7, 2002, 10:13:06 PM EST

Elimination of loop holes is a major point of the Flat Tax -NT - (SpiceWare) - (92) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:37:08 AM EST

I know, we'll have the Tooth Fairy write the new law. - (mmoffitt) - (91) - Feb. 8, 2002, 01:30:11 PM EST

Geesh, what 's up your ass? - (SpiceWare) - Feb. 8, 2002, 02:26:44 PM EST

Oh...you mean the guys who yell.... - (bepatient) - (89) - Feb. 8, 2002, 03:46:29 PM EST

The flat tax will never work - (nking) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:01:20 PM EST

Whoa, there, it was Jerry Brown first! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:36:18 PM EST

On fairness. - (mmoffitt) - (86) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:43:00 PM EST

Different definitions of fair. -NT - (bepatient) - (85) - Feb. 11, 2002, 08:30:24 AM EST

Re: Different definitions of fair. (more) - (bepatient) - (84) - Feb. 11, 2002, 11:23:17 AM EST

Hasn't a sales tax been proven to be regressive? - (Brandioch) - (11) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:04:32 PM EST

Thats why you exempt food and clothing. - (bepatient) - (10) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:12:36 PM EST

And that makes it non-regressive? - (Brandioch) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:39:10 PM EST

I never made that claim. - (bepatient) - (8) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:21:35 PM EST

Just wondering why you're advocating it. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:23:46 PM EST

Entertaining yarn at IRS site. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 11, 2002, 01:59:55 PM EST

If you insist... - (bepatient) - (5) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:16:21 PM EST

It isn't me that has the problem. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:08:56 PM EST

whatever. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 11, 2002, 09:30:38 PM EST

Target acquired. Proceeding with SLAM! - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:34:22 AM EST

Carry on... - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:35:15 PM EST

"Less regressive" != progressive. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:59:04 PM EST

No one wants to punish anyone for success. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - Feb. 11, 2002, 12:46:33 PM EST

Well... - (bepatient) - (26) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:05:58 PM EST

Let's get a couple things straight. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:51:32 PM EST

Bravo!! - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2002, 03:56:21 PM EST

Thanks ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 11, 2002, 04:03:21 PM EST

Lets do. - (bepatient) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2002, 09:24:32 PM EST

Iaccoca a good example - (Silverlock) - (8) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:50:20 AM EST

Incorrect assertion... - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:29:14 PM EST

So we misunderstand each other - (Silverlock) - (5) - Feb. 12, 2002, 03:58:15 PM EST

Hard to get at the real heart of the matter.. - (bepatient) - (4) - Feb. 12, 2002, 04:36:50 PM EST

Here's some real heart for you ;-) - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2002, 09:14:43 PM EST

Correction - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:07:06 PM EST

"stated position" inferred from your posts. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:22:08 PM EST

Ahhh, IC - (bepatient) - Feb. 13, 2002, 02:28:36 PM EST

Re: Lee Iacocca - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 12, 2002, 04:46:39 PM EST

Ahem...back to the original subject... - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:38:22 AM EST

On Force, study California in the 1940's. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2002, 09:10:02 PM EST

Cecil doesn't think so. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2002, 10:52:01 PM EST

Thanks - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:11:03 PM EST

Google on The Straight Dope - (Another Scott) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:15:47 PM EST

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:25:15 PM EST

Evil Grin - before you start praising mass transit... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 08:46:38 AM EST

RightO! Thanks for reiterating the original point! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:27:10 PM EST

7 billion consumers? Me thinks you make a huge mistake - (wharris2) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2002, 04:30:00 PM EST

Missed a comma and 3 - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2002, 08:55:54 PM EST

Sounds much better -NT - (wharris2) - Feb. 12, 2002, 01:55:15 PM EST

I'm not replying to this one__ baby from candy. (you owe me) -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 11, 2002, 07:35:19 PM EST

That is capitalism for you - (nking) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:41:01 PM EST

Re: No one wants to punish anyone for success. - (nking) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:32:11 AM EST

The rich get away with too much - (nking) - (42) - Feb. 12, 2002, 11:29:41 PM EST

Assertions without foundation. - (bepatient) - (41) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:34:55 AM EST

The way it really is - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 13, 2002, 09:34:11 AM EST

Take a chill pill, ya whiner -NT - (bbronson) - (6) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:14:12 AM EST

I already have - (nking) - (5) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:33:16 AM EST

They don't seem to be working. Please move it to Flames. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:57:01 AM EST

Thanks for expressing my thought so well, Scott. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 13, 2002, 11:00:19 AM EST

Wow. - (bepatient) - Feb. 13, 2002, 11:35:00 AM EST

Sorry this IS Politics, rant away! -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:33:14 PM EST

Thank you - (nking) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:22:14 PM EST

Re: the entire scrooges argument. - (mmoffitt) - (32) - Feb. 13, 2002, 01:55:02 PM EST

Progress. - (bepatient) - (31) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:11:59 PM EST

You don't like "screwing"? How about... - (mmoffitt) - (25) - Feb. 13, 2002, 03:36:12 PM EST

Bizness is morally neuter, ethically impoverished. - (Ashton) - (21) - Feb. 13, 2002, 10:58:17 PM EST

I expected you here sooner ;-) - (bepatient) - (20) - Feb. 14, 2002, 12:51:38 AM EST

I will never understand this. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:52:31 AM EST

Knock, knock... - (screamer) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:17:49 AM EST

Simpler explanation. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:27:50 AM EST

Fair enough... Now I understand... - (screamer) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:47:26 AM EST

My solution? has always been: actual OPERATING checks & - (Ashton) - (15) - Feb. 14, 2002, 03:01:24 PM EST

Re: govt. - (a6l6e6x) - (14) - Feb. 14, 2002, 03:17:03 PM EST

Yes but.. in concentrating on that 'least' - (Ashton) - (13) - Feb. 14, 2002, 04:09:42 PM EST

Federal - (bepatient) - (12) - Feb. 15, 2002, 10:44:17 AM EST

Missed point, I think. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:35:49 AM EST

You can't believe that - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2002, 12:42:25 PM EST

Bravo! - (screamer) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:41:14 AM EST

That delicate balance.. - (Ashton) - (8) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:50:09 PM EST

I hope this isn't lost. I have a question. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:45:40 PM EST

anarchy and chaos is much preferable to a benevolent - (boxley) - Feb. 16, 2002, 07:22:52 PM EST

I can't imagine such a construct as, - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:42:17 PM EST

But then, Plato's philosopher king, comes to mind. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:03:04 PM EST

Benevolent dictatorship? - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 02:04:13 AM EST

The King is coming - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:08:56 PM EST

Indulge your fantasy. - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:46:30 PM EST

It is a question of when - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 06:00:25 PM EST

Overestimating marketing. - (bepatient) - Feb. 14, 2002, 12:38:20 AM EST

Mood rings should have been illegal? :-P -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2002, 08:29:21 AM EST

YES! Mine was always black :-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 14, 2002, 11:58:08 AM EST

Wrongo! - (nking) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2002, 09:56:57 PM EST

Read one book. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2002, 10:46:07 AM EST

I'm already shocked - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:10:10 PM EST

Laugh. - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:29:53 PM EST

Like I said - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:49:41 PM EST

It doesn't pay me personally. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:05:13 AM EST

You do remember the Debt sextupled, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:07:53 AM EST

My favorite trivia question - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 9, 2002, 08:35:46 PM EST

Some references. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2002, 11:36:02 PM EST

Sorry, no good references - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:17:06 AM EST

Damn you, Ben. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2002, 06:45:49 PM EST

I can but try :-) - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 11, 2002, 02:32:49 AM EST

And what was the balance of trade? - (bepatient) - Feb. 11, 2002, 11:40:35 AM EST

Follow the gourd!
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