If you are a believer reread Job

Post #25,252 by boxley 1/23/02 9:51:33 AM Reply	If you are a believer reread Job a promise was made that you cannot be allowed to suffer more than you can bear. If you think your suffering is too much now take a lighter start the flame stick you hand in it and leave it there. Do that for infinity, then your suffering WOULD be too much, wouldnt it? By removing yourself prematurely you are passing the suffering you dont want to do to your wife and child for them to do it for you. Selfish. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #25,260 by Steve Lowe 1/23/02 10:55:07 AM Reply	Seconded On the read suggestion, and the point. ----- Steve
Post #25,412 by nking 1/24/02 12:08:18 AM Reply	But even Job had his suffering end and then he got a new family and new stuff. I am still with my suffering for over 30 years now. When will it end? Hand in the flame, try having your brain/mind in the flame for over 30 years with no relief in sight, that is about the way I feel magnified by infinity squared. If there ever is a place like Hell, I cannot imagine it being any much worse than the way it already is here in Earth. Like I said, I feel like I cannot handle it anymore. Each time I feel this way I end up in a hospital. I read job, but I do not think that the Devil keeps his word to not put more stuff on us than we can handle. If you recall it was the Devil that tourtured Job, and God just said "Do what you will, but don't kill him". "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #25,456 by marlowe 1/24/02 11:16:02 AM Reply	Wow, is this thread off topic or what? Arguably, it began off topic. Anyway, I've read Job more than once, and I distinctly remember that God didn't promise Job anything. God did bless him in the end, but it had nothing to do with any deal. There was no quid pro quo. This is an important distinction. The book of Job does not advocate making a deal with God. Quite the opposite. It mentions the idea only to refute it with extreme prejudice. Another point: Job was blessed only after he 1) came to comprehend God's majesty and 2) prayed for his friends to be forgiven for their misguided philosophising. The blessings came after Job was able to see beyond his own situation, and glimpse, however imperfectly, the larger picture. He included others in his sphere of consideration. And my reply to Buddha is this: life is indeed suffering, but not all suffering is bad in itself. Suffering can be a way to learn. Getting rid of all attachments would end suffering, only inasmuch as it amounts to a kind of death. Life is a process. Process implies direction. Direction, if one is conscious of it, amounts to attachment. If you don't have motivation, you don't move. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.

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