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New "OECD - Look it up"? Sure; what, where?
BeeP continues in the same vein:
Look it up.
Look what up, where?

Got any links to hard numbers, in stead of government propaganda?


Just in straight general aid, 16.3 billion US. Next closest is Japan at 8.8. Pretty close to a factor of 2.
Just like the population, IIRC, which would mean the average Japanese is *just as generous* as the average "we give more; always have" modest American.


Sure, you will use the OECD multiple and say we should give 8 times more since we're "soo rich".
I'll thank you to let me decide for myself what I'll say, thankyouverymuch... Or should I go, "Sure, you will say 'a buck from a billionaire is as good as a buck from a beggar, so we're giving just as much as anyone else!' (even though that's a much smaller proportion of what you have to give of)"? Just let me know; if you want me to, I'll be glad to put those words in your mouth for you.

Except that doesn't include specifically tagged disaster relief
Funny how in these mysterious numbers you keep quoting without citing the source, there's always such a lot of "But wait, there's more! If you place your order today, we'll include these six Japanese steak knives without extra cost!" for the *American* numbers... So, does it explicitly say (and could you tell us *where* it does so, please?) that the numbers *do* include "specifically tagged disaster relief" for everyone *but* America, or is that just the impression you're trying to give by slippery quoting?


or the portion of the 250 billion that US folks give to charity each year.
Wait, is this a "portion of" [emphasis added] some "the 250 billion" that you've counted already? And that you're now trying to count again? (Otherwise, it'd be "in addition to", not a "portion of", now wouldn't it?)

And are we supposed to infer from this that non-US "folks" *don't* give to charity each year, or WTF?


And no, I don't pretend that private charity exists only in the US.
Then what the fuck were the immediately preceding shenasnigans all about?


Nor did I see huge amounts of foreign assistance being doled out in MO during the floods or in FL after the 5th hurricane flattened the state.
Newsflash, Nimrod: It was offered, and refused. As usual. Don't blame *us* for *your* stupid pride!


But we're cheap...and our [link|http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a_qrieolIpYY&refer=us|companies are cheap]...I guess I just have to live with that...even though we'll end up giving a billion (just gov't assistance)
Let's take a look at that:
Amazon.com, the world's largest Internet retailer, had collected $2.97 million as of 8 p.m. New York Time through a link on its home page that lets customers make donations to the American Red Cross.
So, are you gloating about those $2.97 million BOTH under "contributions to the Red Cross" AND under "and see how generous our corporate masters are!(*)"? Just wondering, you see, so I'll know what to count twice and what not...


not counting C-130 transport
Yeah, the US are of course the only country that offer air transport, or other goods and services. (Fuck, you MADE the sign, IIRC, so I don't have to show it to you, do I...?)


and military expenses etc...
Uh... Didn't we just go over this; did you nod off during those paragraphs in the post you were replying to? Or did you close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and go "neener, neener, I can't hear you" until someone scrolled them off the screen for you? Either way, it sure *looks* as if you're trying your best to pretend you didn't see it.


Unless its cash it don't count.
Unless it's *American* cash, of course, 'coz then it counts at least twice...


Whatever you say.
You seem a bit disappointed that I'm not just swallowing whatever *you* say.




(*): Cheap PR for Amazon and ebay, BTW: They're letting *their customers* contribute, and trying to spin it as if they themselves are doing the contributing.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New The $35 mln figure is days old.
The dimensions of the tragedy were not as obvious back then - we thought we were dealing with 50,000 dead, not 200,000. I am sure that more is coming. But it does not matter. When we give more, it will be because we were shamed into it by people like CRC. Good job, CRC. You turned a help effort into a pissing match.

--


Q. I think I need to see a specialist, but my doctor insists he can handle my problem. Can a general practitioner really perform a heart transplant right in his/her office?
A. Hard to say, but considering that all you're risking is the $20 co-payment, there's no harm in giving it a shot.

New And it will get larger...
...but it will never be enough.

In straight aid the next closest gives a bit more than half...which prompts the argument "but but but compared to your gdp"

And that was just a small piece of what we actually give.

To which will always be shouted "show me the money".

Its never enough. Never has been, never will be. Not an argument even worth having.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New amen
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New Do you have a reference for that?
Nor did I see huge amounts of foreign assistance being doled out in MO during the floods or in FL after the 5th hurricane flattened the state.

Newsflash, Nimrod: It was offered, and refused. As usual. Don't blame *us* for *your* stupid pride!

This is an allegation that I'd be interested in knowing more about.

Thanks,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Is the US being stingy with aid to Tsunami victims? - (bluke) - (61)
         Japan and EU are gioving less than US at the moment - (Arkadiy) - (28)
             $10.66M+ to ARCDR on Amazon. -NT - (Another Scott)
             Think of it relative to our wealth - (xtensive) - (22)
                 Look at it from the point of veiw of work that needs doing - (Arkadiy)
                 As opposed to the lack of wealth in EU? - (bepatient) - (20)
                     "by huge multiples"??? Proctomathology, again? - (CRConrad) - (19)
                         Re: "by huge multiples"??? Proctomathology, again? - (bepatient) - (18)
                             As I thought: No proof. - (CRConrad) - (17)
                                 couple of points - (daemon) - (9)
                                     Canadian gov has given 40 million CDN so far - (jake123) - (7)
                                         Jake the canucks per capita give more than any other - (daemon) - (6)
                                             You're frigging well wrong, so shaddappayoface. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                 :-D - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                     I'm doing my part to make up for Bush. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                         Holy HECK, man... Kudos, big ones. -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                 so the EU has given 780 million ..l.. pointed right at ya -NT - (daemon)
                                             No we don't actually - (jake123)
                                     You got one thing right: where the point is at. - (CRConrad)
                                 OECD - (bepatient) - (5)
                                     "OECD - Look it up"? Sure; what, where? - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                         The $35 mln figure is days old. - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                             And it will get larger... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                 amen -NT - (SpiceWare)
                                         Do you have a reference for that? - (ben_tilly)
                                 For the record - (Arkadiy)
             But at the time of the comment, the US only promised $15.... - (Simon_Jester)
             But the govt *is* the public ... innit? -NT - (drewk) - (2)
                 Gah, what a Soviet thing to say. Party and People Are United -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                     Oops, forgot about that - (drewk)
         well apparently Egelander - (daemon)
         NY Times: Are We Stingy? Yes - (bluke)
         UK = $96M, US = $35M as at 31/12/04 00:22 GMT - (pwhysall)
         American contribution hiked to $350M as at 21:19 31/12/2004 -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
             Now we're talking. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                 Much better, no? - (pwhysall)
         Japanese pledge $500M. -NT - (pwhysall)
         This whole tit for tat is mostly futile - (scoenye)
         Those darned stingy Americans - (bepatient) - (3)
             Or 20 ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
             No need for petulance - (Ashton)
             chuckle... - (Simon_Jester)
         WTH? - (mmoffitt) - (19)
             Ha! -NT - (Another Scott)
             The opposites attract - (Arkadiy) - (17)
                 The. Ayn. Rand. Institute. !.?.!. - (Ashton) - (16)
                     It's a point, Ash. - (imric) - (15)
                         Really? - (Another Scott) - (8)
                             specific purposes are described in the constitution - (daemon) - (7)
                                 Maybe I'm dense. I don't see it in Article 1, Section 8. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                     look further up :-) - (daemon) - (2)
                                         We're talking about slightly different things. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             reason for that - (daemon)
                                     And Tsunami relief is what part of - (imric) - (2)
                                         the same reason gunboats went up the yellow river - (daemon)
                                         Methinks you goofed. - (jb4)
                         Blah...strict constitutionalists - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             *grin* Another point. -NT - (imric)
                         So you'd rather Halliburton get it than the tsunami victims? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             naw, raytheon, what are the vics gonna spend it on, food? -NT - (daemon)
                             *sigh* All I said was that he had a point re: - (imric)
                             Well, he says that Govt has no right to spend taxes - (Arkadiy)

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