couple of points

(yes I know the point may be on the top of my head :-))
The EU population is more than double the US 730,894,078 [link|http://www.internetworldstats.com/europa.htm|http://www.internetw...ts.com/europa.htm] the poverty line due to social safety nets is higher than ours and the GNP of EU should be equal to ours so if we do in fact end up spending more than you'all at the end of the day you should be ashamed of yourselves :-)
As far as faith based orgs doing the brunt of the giving its because the red cross will steal the money for other purposes (see 911 thefts) and the other major non faithed based charity in America United Way has the social policies of the canadian government which many folks here take umbrage at.(the ones that havn't moved to canada) So faith based is how we do it. When I was six feet up the asshole of the world in central america I didnt see any NGO's UN personnel or other governmental aid but I did see Medicin sans Frontiers backstopped by Jimmy Swaggerts medical mission vans. I find the governmental aid organizations dont flourish too far from a 4 star hotel and upscale dining establishments.
regards,
daemon

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Post #188,616 by daemon 12/30/04 7:18:55 PM Reply	couple of points (yes I know the point may be on the top of my head :-)) The EU population is more than double the US 730,894,078 [link\|http://www.internetworldstats.com/europa.htm\|http://www.internetw...ts.com/europa.htm] the poverty line due to social safety nets is higher than ours and the GNP of EU should be equal to ours so if we do in fact end up spending more than you'all at the end of the day you should be ashamed of yourselves :-) As far as faith based orgs doing the brunt of the giving its because the red cross will steal the money for other purposes (see 911 thefts) and the other major non faithed based charity in America United Way has the social policies of the canadian government which many folks here take umbrage at.(the ones that havn't moved to canada) So faith based is how we do it. When I was six feet up the asshole of the world in central america I didnt see any NGO's UN personnel or other governmental aid but I did see Medicin sans Frontiers backstopped by Jimmy Swaggerts medical mission vans. I find the governmental aid organizations dont flourish too far from a 4 star hotel and upscale dining establishments. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,633 by jake123 12/30/04 9:54:33 PM Reply	Canadian gov has given 40 million CDN so far that's around a dollar US per person. To match that, the US gov would have to chip in around 330 million, IIR(your population figures)C. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #188,660 by daemon 12/31/04 6:50:36 AM Reply	Jake the canucks per capita give more than any other nation in the world, I know that. Me own ma schleps around countless 3rd world places dropping off goodies. She has clothed whole huron reservations personally. I was pointing east not north. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,669 by CRConrad 12/31/04 9:21:06 AM Reply	You're frigging well wrong, so shaddappayoface. Man, have you people COMPLETELY forgot the concept of checking up the actual FACTS before you start gibbering?!? "I was pointing east not north" -- yeah, well, point at yourself, asshole! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #188,670 by pwhysall 12/31/04 9:22:52 AM Reply	:-D It's good to see that fatherhood has mellowed you so, CRC. (I note that the bloody NETHERLANDS is now pledging more than the US, at $36M, as at 31/12/2004 14:22 GMT) Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #188,677 by inthane-chan 12/31/04 10:44:26 AM Reply	I'm doing my part to make up for Bush. We were planning on buying a house next year. We're still planning on buying it, but we'll have to do with a bit less for the down payment. Doctors Without Borders got our cash. Seems to be the standard for the Bush admin. - anything that's really for the people, has to come from the common man, not the wealthy elites. "Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
Post #188,680 by CRConrad 12/31/04 11:48:09 AM Reply	Holy HECK, man... Kudos, big ones.
Post #188,702 by daemon 12/31/04 3:05:21 PM Reply	so the EU has given 780 million ..l.. pointed right at ya that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,678 by jake123 12/31/04 11:29:48 AM Reply	No we don't actually it was our former PM Lester Pearson who came up with the .7% gdp goal for helping those less fortunate, and we've been falling further and further short over the years. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #188,653 by CRConrad 12/31/04 3:03:47 AM Reply	You got one thing right: where the point is at. The EU population is more than double the US 730,894,078 [link\|http://www.internetworldstats.com/europa.htm\|http://www.internetw...ts.com/europa.htm] the poverty line due to social safety nets is higher than ours I'm not too sure about that, any more... Not everywhere in the newly-enlarged EU, I wouldn't think. and the GNP of EU should be equal to ours so if we do in fact end up spending more than you'all at the end of the day you should be ashamed of yourselves :-) "if", indeed. Trust me, I'm pretty sure that -- contrary to what BeeP tried to claim as late as yesterday -- you DON'T give, in absolute terms, even close to what just the EU, combined, gives. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]

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