Let me put it another way

why should I bother to learn from people who either ignore my questions, avoid them, or react to me in such a way that upsets me?

Let's break it down:

why should I bother to learn from people

Because it's easier to learn from people than to try to figure out everything by yourself.

who either ignore my questions, avoid them or react to me in such a way that upsets me?

You can't control how others react. You can only control your own reactions to others.

I'd suggest reviewing the thread and trying to understand that several people here were trying to help you.

If you do so, you'll see that in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133420|#13420] you made statements about "theories" of Creationism. I and others gave you information on what theories are, what science is, etc.

In [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133581|#133581] you ask some [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetorical%20question|rhetorical questions]. You constructed [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=straw%20man|straw men] about gold in China (hint - no one ever said there was no gold in China and it's not a [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=134806|"theory"]. What a theory is was discussed in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133458|#133458]).

And so on until in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=135663|#135663] you say:

Wrong, I am interested in learning for myself, I just do not have the time or the money to do so. My time is being used to learn something that can benefit my career. Also the people who put out the energy to give advice, how can I tell if they are wrong or not? Using your previous argument about experts, of course.

In this little snippet once can find evidence that you're not interested in learning things here, you're just interested in [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sophistry|sophistry]. People usually find sophistry annoying after a while, and that's likely why Ben eventually got upset with your posts. You should be happy that Ben spent the time to write to you and should have tried to learn from the information he provided.

If you can spend the time posting replies here, you can spend the time to read and try to understand what you're responding to. It doesn't take that much more "time or money" to do so.

EOT.

[edit - clarified the last sentence in the next to last paragraph.]

Regards,
Scott.

Post #135,753 by orion 1/14/04 4:55:15 PM Reply	Let me put it another way why should I bother to learn from people who either ignore my questions, avoid them, or react to me in such a way that upsets me? Will I be able to learn something from this person without going through a hard time and getting stressed out in the process? My answer to that question was a "No" based on replies to my posts on this thread. It is very likely I will ask a question that will cause problems between me and that other person. The question won't be answered, I will not be able to learn, and we will both be wasting our time. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #135,772 by JayMehaffey 1/14/04 6:03:45 PM Reply	Re: Let me put it another way Let me put it another way why should I bother to learn from people who either ignore my questions, avoid them, or react to me in such a way that upsets me? Will I be able to learn something from this person without going through a hard time and getting stressed out in the process? A certain amount of stress is unavoidable, anything that challenges a persons worldview creates mental stress. The technical term is "cognitive dissonance", I found a decent short description here [link\|http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm\|Learning] Jay
Post #135,784 by Another Scott 1/14/04 7:52:21 PM 1/14/04 8:22:08 PM Reply	Please review the thread from the beginning. why should I bother to learn from people who either ignore my questions, avoid them, or react to me in such a way that upsets me? Let's break it down: why should I bother to learn from people Because it's easier to learn from people than to try to figure out everything by yourself. who either ignore my questions, avoid them or react to me in such a way that upsets me? You can't control how others react. You can only control your own reactions to others. I'd suggest reviewing the thread and trying to understand that several people here were trying to help you. If you do so, you'll see that in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133420\|#13420] you made statements about "theories" of Creationism. I and others gave you information on what theories are, what science is, etc. In [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133581\|#133581] you ask some [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetorical%20question\|rhetorical questions]. You constructed [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=straw%20man\|straw men] about gold in China (hint - no one ever said there was no gold in China and it's not a [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=134806\|"theory"]. What a theory is was discussed in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=133458\|#133458]). And so on until in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=135663\|#135663] you say: Wrong, I am interested in learning for myself, I just do not have the time or the money to do so. My time is being used to learn something that can benefit my career. Also the people who put out the energy to give advice, how can I tell if they are wrong or not? Using your previous argument about experts, of course. In this little snippet once can find evidence that you're not interested in learning things here, you're just interested in [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sophistry\|sophistry]. People usually find sophistry annoying after a while, and that's likely why Ben eventually got upset with your posts. You should be happy that Ben spent the time to write to you and should have tried to learn from the information he provided. If you can spend the time posting replies here, you can spend the time to read and try to understand what you're responding to. It doesn't take that much more "time or money" to do so. EOT. [edit - clarified the last sentence in the next to last paragraph.] Regards, Scott. Edited by Another Scott Jan. 14, 2004, 08:22:08 PM EST Expand All History
Post #135,832 by rcareaga 1/14/04 11:45:10 PM Reply	Die, Norman! Die! (new thread) Created as new thread #135831 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=135831\|Die, Norman! Die!]

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