Post #71,674
12/31/02 2:39:16 AM
12/31/02 4:36:36 AM
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I nominate Marlowe as ambassador to China <grin>
'Marlowe' said .....
"I prefer to make *real* arguments. The kind that consist of documented facts that pertain to the subject."
'Marlowe' also said ...
"Don't talk to me about the Shanghai miracle. It's a mirage."
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Here is some more interesting info, based on published 'facts' and information and extracted from *todays* edition of NewsWeek International, in the World View section. [link|http://www.msnbc.com/news/850714.asp|Link to the story in US Domestic Edition]
The story is a feature article of one page called "The Big Story Everyone Missed" - the Highlighted caption reads "People who were whipped into a frenzy about the 'Chinese peril' must wonder what happened. But Washington's shift in attitude is a return to sanity"
The article is quite long & I won't type it all in but will highlight pertinent statements and the 'facts' it quotes ...
"who are the winners and losers of the new international order?"
The losers are obvious -- Saddam Hussien, Saudi Arabia, Hosni Mabarak, Yasir Arafat and of course, Al Qaeda, which may not be dead but is on the run.
The winners are Israel, India and Russia. Their struggles with their opponents (the Palestinians, the Kashmiris and the Chechens respectively) have been cast in a more favourable light. Russia, in particular, has shrewedly used the war on terror to further its integration into the west.
But in many ways the country that has benefited most from 9-11 is China. The attacks on New York and Washington had an enormous, positive effect for it. They moved the country off Washington's enemies list.
.....(more)
Then with 9/11 along came a real enemy, and China was instantly forgotten. There are many people in America who, having been whipped into a frenzy about the Chinese peril, are wondering what happened.
.....(more)
The results over the two decades have been staggering. Even if you assume its growth numbers are exaggerated, it has moved hundreds of millions of people from poverty into middle-income status. Jeffery Sachs, the economist who has advised dozens of developing countries, puts it simply: "China is the most succesful development story in world history."
Its economic policies have borne remarkable fruit over the last few years. China has become the most important manufacturing nation in the world.
The economic map of Asia is being redrawn, with China at the center. This is the big story of the year that got drowned out by the war on Terror.
Consider the following: in 1985, exports from foreign companies in China were composed of only 1 percent of the country's total exports, amounting to $300 million. In 2001 they composed 50 percent of its exports, totalling $133 billion. Chinais now the largets provider of Japanese imports. And these goods are not all cheap plastic toys.
Nobuyuki Idei has privately revealed that in two years his company, Sony, Japan's flagship corporation, will be manufacturing more goods in China than in its home country.
Last august Singapore's prime minister, Goh Chok Tong, called China's continuing growth "scary", and urged his countrymen "to secure a niche for ourselves as China swamps the world with her higher-quality, but cheaper, products.
.....(more)
Washington\ufffds shift in attitude toward China marks a return of sanity. The United States cannot stop China\ufffds rise, nor should it. To set itself up against China, before that country has shown itself to be a foe, is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy, ensuring a contest between the world\ufffds leading power and its fastest-rising one. This is the stuff of world wars. And we already have one going.
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I ask 'Marlowe' - how should we here judge your statements and your facts ? - based on the above quotes from you and the information presented - you have a serious credibility gap.
Can you provide *anything* in mitigation or do we look at this as a classic example of how you argue your points in this forum ?
Do we draw the obvious conclusions about you and what you are when it comes to facts ?
Cheers
Doug Marker
Edited by dmarker
Dec. 31, 2002, 02:58:35 AM EST
I nominate Marlowe as ambassador to China <grin>
'Marlowe' said .....
"I prefer to make *real* arguments. The kind that consist of documented facts that pertain to the subject."
'Marlowe' also said ...
"Don't talk to me about the Shanghai miracle. It's a mirage."
****************************************************************
Here is some more interesting info, based on published 'facts' and information and extracted from *todays* edition of NewsWeek International, in the World View section. [link|http://www.msnbc.com/news/850714.asp|Link to the story in US Domestic Edition]
The story is a feature article of one page called "The Big Story Everyone Missed" - the Highlighted caption reads "People who were whipped into a frenzy about the 'Chinese peril' must wonder what happened. But Washington's shift in attitude is a return to sanity"
The article is quite long & I won't type it all in but will highlight pertinent statements and the 'facts' it quotes ...
"who are the winners and losers of the new international order?"
The losers are obvious -- Saddam Hussien, Saudi Arabia, Hosni Mabarak, Yasir Arafat and of course, Al Qaeda, which may not be dead but is on the run.
The winners are Israel, India and Russia. Their struggles with their opponents (the Palestinians, the Kashmiris and the Chechens respectively) have been cast in a more favourable light. Russia, in particular, has shrewedly used the war on terror to further its integration into the west.
But in many ways the country that has benefited most from 9-11 is China. The attacks on New York and Washington had an enormous, positive effect for it. They moved the country off Washington's enemies list.
.....(more)
Then with 9/11 along came a real enemy, and China was instantly forgotten. There are many people in America who, having been whipped into a frenzy about the Chinese peril, are wondering what happened.
.....(more)
The results over the two decades have been staggering. Even if you assume its growth numbers are exaggerated, it has moved hundreds of millions of people from poverty into middle-income status. Jeffery Sachs, the economist who has advised dozens of developing countries, puts it simply: "China is the most succesful development story in world history."
Its economic policies have borne remarkable fruit over the last few years. China has become the most important manufacturing nation in the world.
The economic map of Asia is being redrawn, with China at the center. This is the big story of the year that got drowned out by the war on Terror.
Consider the following: in 1985, exports from foreign companies in China were composed of only 1 percent of the country's total exports, amounting to $300 million. In 2001 they composed 50 percent of its exports, totalling $133 billion. Chinais now the largets provider of Japanese imports. And these goods are not all cheap plastic toys.
Nobuyuki Idei has privately revealed that in two years his company, Sony, Japan's flagship corporation, will be manufacturing more goods in China than in its home country.
Last august Singapore's prime minister, Goh Chok Tong, called China's continuing growth "scary", and urged his countrymen "to secure a niche for ourselves as China swamps the world with her higher-quality, but cheaper, products.
.....(more)
*****************************************
I ask 'Marlowe' - how should we here judge your statements and your facts ? - based on the above quotes from you and the information presented - you have a serious credibility gap.
Can you provide *anything* in mitigation or do we look at this as a typical example of how you present information ?
Do we draw the obvious conclusions about you ?
Cheers
Doug Marker
Edited by dmarker
Dec. 31, 2002, 04:36:36 AM EST
I nominate Marlowe as ambassador to China <grin>
'Marlowe' said .....
"I prefer to make *real* arguments. The kind that consist of documented facts that pertain to the subject."
'Marlowe' also said ...
"Don't talk to me about the Shanghai miracle. It's a mirage."
****************************************************************
Here is some more interesting info, based on published 'facts' and information and extracted from *todays* edition of NewsWeek International, in the World View section. [link|http://www.msnbc.com/news/850714.asp|Link to the story in US Domestic Edition]
The story is a feature article of one page called "The Big Story Everyone Missed" - the Highlighted caption reads "People who were whipped into a frenzy about the 'Chinese peril' must wonder what happened. But Washington's shift in attitude is a return to sanity"
The article is quite long & I won't type it all in but will highlight pertinent statements and the 'facts' it quotes ...
"who are the winners and losers of the new international order?"
The losers are obvious -- Saddam Hussien, Saudi Arabia, Hosni Mabarak, Yasir Arafat and of course, Al Qaeda, which may not be dead but is on the run.
The winners are Israel, India and Russia. Their struggles with their opponents (the Palestinians, the Kashmiris and the Chechens respectively) have been cast in a more favourable light. Russia, in particular, has shrewedly used the war on terror to further its integration into the west.
But in many ways the country that has benefited most from 9-11 is China. The attacks on New York and Washington had an enormous, positive effect for it. They moved the country off Washington's enemies list.
.....(more)
Then with 9/11 along came a real enemy, and China was instantly forgotten. There are many people in America who, having been whipped into a frenzy about the Chinese peril, are wondering what happened.
.....(more)
The results over the two decades have been staggering. Even if you assume its growth numbers are exaggerated, it has moved hundreds of millions of people from poverty into middle-income status. Jeffery Sachs, the economist who has advised dozens of developing countries, puts it simply: "China is the most succesful development story in world history."
Its economic policies have borne remarkable fruit over the last few years. China has become the most important manufacturing nation in the world.
The economic map of Asia is being redrawn, with China at the center. This is the big story of the year that got drowned out by the war on Terror.
Consider the following: in 1985, exports from foreign companies in China were composed of only 1 percent of the country's total exports, amounting to $300 million. In 2001 they composed 50 percent of its exports, totalling $133 billion. Chinais now the largets provider of Japanese imports. And these goods are not all cheap plastic toys.
Nobuyuki Idei has privately revealed that in two years his company, Sony, Japan's flagship corporation, will be manufacturing more goods in China than in its home country.
Last august Singapore's prime minister, Goh Chok Tong, called China's continuing growth "scary", and urged his countrymen "to secure a niche for ourselves as China swamps the world with her higher-quality, but cheaper, products.
.....(more)
Washingtons shift in attitude toward China marks a return of sanity. The United States cannot stop Chinas rise, nor should it. To set itself up against China, before that country has shown itself to be a foe, is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy, ensuring a contest between the worlds leading power and its fastest-rising one. This is the stuff of world wars. And we already have one going.
*****************************************
I ask 'Marlowe' - how should we here judge your statements and your facts ? - based on the above quotes from you and the information presented - you have a serious credibility gap.
Can you provide *anything* in mitigation or do we look at this as a typical example of how you present information ?
Do we draw the obvious conclusions about you ?
Cheers
Doug Marker
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