Post #59,639
10/26/02 4:52:26 PM
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Yes.. the unstated Question, nowadays not even silly.. :(
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Post #59,640
10/26/02 5:05:25 PM
10/26/02 5:07:29 PM
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I don't think so.
There was some pretty nasty weather in the region (snow/ice). My guess is that too much ice accumulated on the wings and the airplane stalled with no time to recover. I heard they were 2 miles out on approach for landing, if so, they'd have been probably too low to recover from a stall, which would have happened at higher airspeed if there was ice on the wings. And it would have come up on the pilots w/little to no warning. They'd be making a normal approach at normal approach speeds, then whammie, no lift and into the ground.
It is a very dark day for the Democratic Party. They definitely lost one of their best. If the politics play out and the Repos take charge of the Senate, Wellstone will flip over in his grave.
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 26, 2002, 05:07:29 PM EDT
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Post #59,647
10/26/02 6:30:23 PM
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Agreed that is far more likely.
Just happened to hear radio doc. re "St. George" a small town downwind of US nuke tests in '50s and later - in fact often 'selected' as the right wind direction: contaminating milk in LA with I-131 just wouldn't have been an option. These folks Knew what they were doing - but prevented any notification of the townfolk, re contamination of their produce, etc. (Finally in '96 (?) some but not nearly all of the cancer sufferers received some stipend)
Patriotism at its extreme - considers any old person expendable. So all I mean is that, no it isn't unthinkable that a deicer reservoir was filled with something useless [for just one ex.] - but the accustion cannot be made except by a loony, unless FAA turns up and releases.?. something. Since you know aircraft, you can do your own gedanken experiment..
Clearly this is apt to have been an accident / oversight re landing weather conditions / subtle failure of man or machine. We live (and lie, often) in times where the word 'apt' is apt IMhO.
Yes, he stood for almost everything this Admin doesn't - it emerges.
Ashton
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Post #59,660
10/26/02 7:41:05 PM
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Re: I don't think so.
Agreed - almost certainly icing. It only takes thousandths of an inch to completely change the flight dynamics. Even if the plane is capable of flying level, a sharp turn could land you in a world of shit.
-drl
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Post #60,113
10/29/02 7:50:39 PM
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Wasn't Carnahan also in a King Air about this time 2yrs ago?
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Post #60,115
10/29/02 8:21:42 PM
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Re: Wasn't Carnahan also in a King Air
No, Cessna 335.
I do remember the night - pea soup at ground level. Not cold enough for ice to be an issue.
The artificial horizon failed - with no ground reference and no stars, they were flying blind and without orientation information other than that provided by the inner ear. The thinking is, the pilot (his son) maneuvered the plane into a stall attitude and could not recover from the resulting spin.
I would have rigged some kind of plumb bob from the cockpit ceiling to act as a direction indicator.
-drl
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Post #60,207
10/30/02 11:25:18 AM
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Did both AI's fail?
I should look up the NTSB report on this. Seems like there was an article about the accident in Plane & Pilot or some other flying mag. I've read about several IMC accidents and I start wondering if my plans to pursue an instrument rating next year are well founded. It must be hard to make a "no-go" decision if you've been instrument rated for a while and are used to flying in true IMC conditions. Right now, the go/no-go choice for me is easy (if it ain't VFR minimums, I ain't goin'), but I suppose it's gotta be harder to decide against going w/some IMC flying time under your belt.
Thanks fo the info,
Mikem
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Post #60,210
10/30/02 11:36:15 AM
10/30/02 11:40:16 AM
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Re: Did both AI's fail?
That's the thinking - he radioed in problems with his 8-ball, stated he would try to use the co-pilot's, then asked for a vector to VFR conditions - shortly afterward radar contact was lost.
If I were you, I'd get in the habit of tacking up a St. Christopher medal on a fine chain :)
As a philosophical issue, I can't see the point in flying IFR for recreation!
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Oct. 30, 2002, 11:40:16 AM EST
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