Re: If Cuba had oil, these stupid analogies might

Post #55,502 by deSitter 10/8/02 1:31:33 PM Reply	Re: If Cuba had oil, these stupid analogies might Blinded by the Right. Containment worked for the USSR, right? It's working for China, right? Surely the latter is hardly a champion of freedom, no? Why not clean up that house? Because you know, one day we'll be fighting a war with them, and the sooner the better... Why did we not excise Sadaam when the chance was offered in 1991? (Answer: Casualties might have dampened Republican chances in the '92 elections. As it turned out, they lost anyway.) I would love to see a dead Sadaam. So kill him! Send people to do it in the night. Why do we need a general war to subdue such a defenseless tinhorn? (Answer: He's got a lot of oil we'd love to steal.) What you are advocating is the first step in continuous war, as forms the backdrop of 1984. And by the way, [link\|http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html\|here] is the website of an "asshole", Steven Fowle. You can read his mini-bio [link\|http://www.nhgazette.com/m_to_m.html\|here]. Unlike Bush, Cheney, Brit Hume, Rush, Lee Greenwood, Tony Snow, Bill Bennett, Phil Gramm, Rudy G, and Bill O'Reilly, he was there, in person. -drl
Post #55,516 by screamer 10/8/02 3:07:19 PM Reply	Great site... Thanks for the link... I don't think I am being blinded by the right however... You should know that's not usually something I succumb to. Anything's possible. I have been giving this a lot of thought lately and have come to many of the same conclusions that the current administration has come to. At the time that Bush (HW) did not press on to Baghdad in '91, I thought it was the right call. Our main objective was to liberate Kuwait , which we did. The secondary objective, to destroy his military was only a partial success and the weapons inspectors were a compromise to appease "world opinion" about our intentions. I honestly believe that (HW) didn't plan on not being re-elected. During America's 8 year hiatus from world politics (the Clinton administration), Sadam was very busy. Your points about a "post Sadam Iraq" and a policy of containment are quite valid. I am somewhat optimistic in that Iraq (the Iraqi people) since the Cradle of Civilization days , have been a progressive and "western friendly" culture. I know that statement is too broad, but I mean to say that this particular culture most probably does not wish to remain isolated from the rest of the world. Their history is too great and demands that they be a part of the world community. I would be very interested to know if the Iraqi people wish to be "liberated" from a tyrant. Would that sway "world opinion". How many tears has the world shed for the Taliban? Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #55,527 by deSitter 10/8/02 4:41:09 PM Reply	Re: Great site... Thanks for the link... The threat is not from Sadaam or any other particular regime - it's from a stolen or sold Russian nuke in some lone wolf's hands. The only way to root out these people is to make friends with the Russians and strengthen the intelligence services. And the latter requires INTELLIGENCE IN OFFICE. Bounding over the deserts of Iraq in tanks and hummers will accomplish NOTHING other than to make the bad guys hate us even more. We need to kill them in their hidden recesses, with great violence and disgrace, and without involving citizens or armies. We would accomplish infinitely more by simply expelling illegal aliens and revoking temporary visas. Let them go home. Deport them. Get rid of them and keep them out. Apply a vigorous policy of religious and ethnic profiling. Require all Islamic organizations to undergo regular audits of their activities. Freedom of religion be damned - piss on religion! Your "solution" will simply make everyone feel better, until the nuke is detonated in Washington or New York or Houston or Los Angeles. Then what? What happens when there are no more tinhorns to topple? Do we take over the whole world? When will stupid, bellicose paranoia have run its course? We are in trouble because our leaders are dimwitted, bellicose fools. We will remain in danger as long as the dimwitted, bellicose public keeps electing these genetic mistakes. -drl

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