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Post #45,781
by orion
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7/16/02 12:39:07 PM
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New More than just that
Worship God or burn in Hell. Well rather face judgement from God after you die, which could lead to burning in Hell.

Worship God because he made us. Many are ungrateful, but God must have had a reason for making us the way we are.

Worship God because he wants you to have the best in this life and the next. Well some of us, he must want to suffer? He only tests the strong, right?

But most importantly, worship God because he sent his son Jesus to die for our sins so that they can be forgiven. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. The sin keeps us away from God and gets us into trouble. When we disobey God, we sin. God sent us the Ten Commandments, the Mosaic Laws, and other things to follow like the words of Jesus.
I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
Post #45,834
by Ashton
7/16/02 10:03:18 PM
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New No need to perpetuate problems.
What You choose to Believe is entirely your own affair. In fact the only time/event/situation wherein another might Care What You Believe is:

When, acting upon your beliefs/Beliefs - You/Yours demonstrate a next willingness to limit My Choices about "life on this planet" (to keep it simple) via enforcing Your Beliefs into:

Civil Law. (or near-equivalents in enforcing behavior other than overtly legally)

Can you *never* Get This?

Your [personal idea of a] God is *not* My [personal idea of a] God !!
(And even If It Were, pretty-much? I hope.. I would have gained the experience and wisdom to Not impose 'Our' [personal ideas of] Beliefs upon a Third Party.)

Rebutting 'Christian-persons' is *not* about telling You that Your Beliefs + Dogma are Wrong. It is about telling You that: You have no monopoly upon Truth, even if that is a tenet of Your! [personal idea of a] Good dogma for You to Follow\ufffd <<<

ie your withholding of a next urge to proselytize: does not mean that You Don't Believe Well-enough so as to.. automatically Defend Your idea of Truth! It means only that, you acknowledge that Others live on the planet too.

Until you *Get This* you will continue to say your homilies as-if: I and Others are Wrong / You are Right-eous. Just as with the start of every War since the First... and as Shall continue well into Tomorrow BECAUSE of this intransigent, intolerant mere-Personal-feeling of.. nothing more complex than - Mine's Bigger\ufffd

(And worse: I Will Save You from Your Error! 'Patronize' derives from the very-same Father-fixation root)


{sheesh}x


Ashton

[just paste this after your next sermon, svp.]
     too much right shift one Nation under G_d Brandi - (boxley) - (77) - June 29, 2002, 10:16:01 PM EDT
         God helped build this country - (orion) - (76) - June 30, 2002, 08:30:06 PM EDT
             In case you weren't following ... - (altmann) - June 30, 2002, 10:27:15 PM EDT
             Good One, N. !!______ this was a "freebie", right? - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:43:42 PM EDT
             This country was founded by people . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - June 30, 2002, 11:41:33 PM EDT
                 ..and that's a Fact: ___Freemasons. __ Most of the Biggies. -NT - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 11:58:58 PM EDT
                 Yes, people, but - (orion) - (63) - July 1, 2002, 10:50:21 PM EDT
                     You seem quite free in speaking for God. - (Andrew Grygus) - (59) - July 2, 2002, 01:44:24 AM EDT
                         Old Testament vs New Testament. - (static) - (20) - July 3, 2002, 02:09:22 AM EDT
                             start a thread, Ill be there -NT - (boxley) - July 3, 2002, 08:52:43 AM EDT
                             "wants creation to love him" -omnipotent, and so insecure?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (18) - July 3, 2002, 03:01:26 PM EDT
                                 Unfair! - (Ashton) - July 3, 2002, 04:20:45 PM EDT
                                 "doesn't want creation to love him" -omnip, + so antisocial? -NT - (tseliot) - (16) - July 8, 2002, 12:57:58 PM EDT
                                     "Omnipotence Means You Don't Have To Give A Shit" - (CRConrad) - (15) - July 15, 2002, 07:02:46 AM EDT
                                         Keeper. -NT - (pwhysall) - July 15, 2002, 07:39:53 AM EDT
                                         So now you're in my camp... - (tseliot) - (6) - July 15, 2002, 11:37:03 AM EDT
                                             No, I'm not - *I* don't "punish" *my* ants for not loving me -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - July 15, 2002, 11:39:31 AM EDT
                                                 'Taint "love" if'n it's done in fear of consequences of Not. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 15, 2002, 07:10:41 PM EDT
                                                     True enough. - (tseliot) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 12:11:32 PM EDT
                                                         Sorry,___ but those are Boolean options.____Again. - (Ashton) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:31 PM EDT
                                                             Then I expect you to be consistent. - (tseliot) - (1) - July 17, 2002, 02:10:07 PM EDT
                                                                 Fair enough. - (Ashton) - July 17, 2002, 04:19:58 PM EDT
                                         I see you're perpetuating myths again. - (static) - (6) - July 16, 2002, 12:12:43 AM EDT
                                             So, why do you call yourself a "Christian", if... - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 05:55:30 AM EDT
                                                 Don't put words in my mouth, CRC. - (static) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 07:57:26 AM EDT
                                                     Then *you* first refrain from doing so to *me*. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:53 AM EDT
                                                         Post rescinded. -NT - (static) - July 16, 2002, 10:43:27 PM EDT
                                             More than just that - (orion) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 12:39:07 PM EDT
                                                 No need to perpetuate problems. - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:03:18 PM EDT
                         People are both bad and good - (orion) - (37) - July 4, 2002, 08:22:49 PM EDT
                             Fervor noted; it fails. But no, "they are not" - (Ashton) - (34) - July 4, 2002, 10:30:28 PM EDT
                                 Pull your horns in, Ashton. - (static) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 12:03:56 AM EDT
                                     Hmmm - seeing horns too - - (Ashton) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 03:41:26 AM EDT
                                         I might have been in a less than charitable mood. - (static) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:10:56 AM EDT
                                             Way I see it, hate the sin, love the sinner. - (orion) - July 5, 2002, 10:55:37 AM EDT
                                             Yes, indeed. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:44:08 PM EDT
                                 Have not the heavens cried? - (orion) - (28) - July 5, 2002, 01:57:33 AM EDT
                                     Re: Have not the heavens cried? - (Ashton) - (27) - July 5, 2002, 04:23:50 AM EDT
                                         Still not me, you are still confusing me for others. - (orion) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 11:14:20 AM EDT
                                             It's easy, actually. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:18:14 PM EDT
                                             Oh Ferfuxxake, learn to read bloody English, you moron! -NT - (CRConrad) - (24) - July 7, 2002, 05:46:08 PM EDT
                                                 Enlighten me. - (orion) - (23) - July 8, 2002, 12:45:19 AM EDT
                                                     Ashton uses an awful lot of words . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21) - July 8, 2002, 02:56:42 AM EDT
                                                         Ironic - (ben_tilly) - (10) - July 8, 2002, 07:42:06 AM EDT
                                                             Doth the gentleman protest too much? - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:30:30 AM EDT
                                                             There lies a problem - (orion) - (5) - July 8, 2002, 09:02:05 AM EDT
                                                                 Re: There lies a problem - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 10:25:50 AM EDT
                                                                 God would have no problem communicating his will. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 8, 2002, 10:53:26 AM EDT
                                                                     Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 11:21:46 AM EDT
                                                                     Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 11:22:32 AM EDT
                                                                         :) *smirk mode: on* - (Brandioch) - July 8, 2002, 01:26:05 PM EDT
                                                             Sin is defined by God? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - July 8, 2002, 10:13:43 AM EDT
                                                                 Sin is defined - (orion) - July 8, 2002, 10:42:12 AM EDT
                                                                 "as" versus "by" - (ben_tilly) - July 8, 2002, 08:19:10 PM EDT
                                                         Too lazy, but given your hint... - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 10:18:03 AM EDT
                                                             Well, that might have prvailed "beyond the pale", but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 8, 2002, 11:06:26 AM EDT
                                                         There is nothing I* can say... - (static) - (7) - July 9, 2002, 07:25:19 AM EDT
                                                             I have my opinions . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - July 9, 2002, 02:23:27 PM EDT
                                                                 Too many words? - (Ashton) - (4) - July 9, 2002, 03:14:57 PM EDT
                                                                     Perfect sense, but sounds too "esoteric". - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - July 9, 2002, 03:43:38 PM EDT
                                                                         As A. Einstein said, - (Ashton) - (2) - July 9, 2002, 04:16:44 PM EDT
                                                                             Understanding vs Control - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 9, 2002, 05:55:36 PM EDT
                                                                                 Control.____Hmmm___ a seed! - (Ashton) - July 9, 2002, 07:30:10 PM EDT
                                                                 Notes. - (static) - July 10, 2002, 03:30:39 AM EDT
                                                     Frankly, I don't think I can. I don't believe anyone can. - (CRConrad) - July 8, 2002, 10:38:40 AM EDT
                             Founding fathers - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 03:27:16 AM EDT
                                 OT: Unitarians - (snork) - July 9, 2002, 02:38:54 PM EDT
                     Declaration vs. Constitution - (altmann) - July 2, 2002, 03:20:38 AM EDT
                     The God of the Declaration is not necessarily Christian... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 10:29:25 AM EDT
                         I'd approx. buy that interpretation - - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 05:06:56 PM EDT
                 So THAT'S why... - (jb4) - (5) - July 3, 2002, 02:18:37 PM EDT
                     No relationship. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 3, 2002, 04:13:43 PM EDT
                         A fraternity, not a religion. - (orion) - (3) - July 4, 2002, 08:29:16 PM EDT
                             Nor will you see on that site - (Ashton) - (2) - July 4, 2002, 08:55:40 PM EDT
                                 OTO, baby! - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 01:19:10 AM EDT
                                     You aren't supposed to! - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:07:43 AM EDT
             Interesting God. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 01:11:32 AM EDT
                 In times of ___'things that go Bump in the night' - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:12:15 PM EDT

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